Professor Gates vs. Officer Crowley

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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
The only racist in this story was that Harvard guy.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
You're kidding, right?

Supposedly it exists, but the police still won't release it. To me that indicates there's something to hide. But who knows, you could be right.
You don't really expect anyone to release these while investigatons are currently going on, do you?
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Neither was a racist. However, it's fair to say the Professor is an elitist and the officer an egoist.
Usually the one to cry "racist" is most likely the racist. It implies they expect special treatment because of their skin color.

This case is a textbook example. Please note that the officer made no references to race, religion or anything that could be construed as racist. He was just asking for the information he needed to do his job.

The professor however did make references to his own race several times and threatened the officer with "You don't know who you're messing with", not to mention dragging his mother into the discussion.
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
As usual the truth is somewhere in the middle of both stories. I don't get how Gates came out today and said it has nothing to do with race. If not then why even say ""because I'm a black man in America"" Sounds to me like he is doing some back pedaling.
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
You have to love those college professor "racism" teachers....which is basically his occupation.


....and the news media reports him as being a highly noteworthy Harvard "scholar".......

:rolleyes: ...........yea right.
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
Exactly, the Prof is threatening lawsuit, it's in the PD best interest to keep the tape private till introduced as evidence.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I said it before. I'l say it again.

You have to love those college professor "racism" teachers....which is basically his occupation.


....and the news media reports him as being a highly noteworthy Harvard "scholar".......

:rolleyes: ...........yea right.
Remember, Gates not only knows how to play the race card well enough to teach it, he's got a whole deck of 'em and can do card tricks with it.

But, think about it. His profession is actually kinda like policemen. If crime was ever eradicated, a lot of police would be out of a job.

Ir racial tensions were ever done away with, a lot of these professional race baiters would be out on the street. It behooves them to stir the pot on occasion. Job security as it were.
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Exactly, the Prof is threatening lawsuit, it's in the PD best interest to keep the tape private till introduced as evidence.
We carry personal audio recorders as well, it's a very nice piece of insurance against frivolous complaints.;)

Back in the day we would just que our radios so that it was on record at dispatch.
 
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Schupo

Banned
The only reason that I have .02 in the matter is my brother used to be cop (besides that I know fist hand what happens when one talks sh$& to a jerk cop ).
Why the smiley face? Do you think there's something amusing about police officers abusing their power?

He deserved to go to jail (weather he should have or not, I'm undecided) and he did.
He deserved to go to jail on what charge?
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
Why the smiley face? Do you think there's something amusing about police officers abusing their power?

What abuse of power:rolleyes:


He deserved to go to jail on what charge?
They heard him singing these famous Garret Morris Lines:p

"I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
When I kill all the whities I see, then whitey he won't bother me,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
Then I'll get a white woman who's wearing a navy blue sweater.."
 
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MatthewB.

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Bandphan, LMAO, have you ever heard the story of how Garret came up with that song, it involves an elderly white lady singing it (only with the roles reversed)
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
So when the police ask for identification, why did this "so called" brilliant Harvard man choose not to immediately show a drivers license? Who wouldn't????? I mean, c'mon...really.
He is a Harvard professor, no? I mean c'mon......He just flew in on an international flight from one of his scholarly "race related" research trips, so surely he had a D.L. in his possession.

Why flash a Harvard ID void of any home addy???....which is no more helpful to show he is not a burglar than a SAMS club card?

Damn elitist........race baiters!!


YES, I live here you damn ignorant racist cops, now get out of my house before I get you fired and ruin your career. See..... Look.......I have proof this is my home.....here is my 'LIBARY' card.
Sincerely,
Professional Race Baiter "The Fonz" Gates
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
There's a difference between shooting your mouth off at a cop in public and doing it in your home. If you're in my home, I'll say what I want to you. If you don't like it, get out.

I'd like to know what idiot neighbor thought a man with a cane was a burglar.
I heard today that it wasn't a neighbor, it was someone driving past.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
As many of you might recall from the Chris Rock thread, I have no tolerance for police who abuse or over-exert their authority. In this case, I've seen no evidence that the officer provoked this situation.

For one, the officer was dispatched to the scene for a possible crime in progress. This would legally give him access to the home under probable cause and to detain those found within the home until their identity was verified. The prof clearly obstructed the officer in this legal duty.

Now you would think that a Harvard prof would be smart enough to figure out that the police were at the residence for the purpose of protecting Gates' property and personal safety. Failing that simple understanding, Gates insisted on following the officers outside, in the public domain, to continue his verbally abusive and very public tirade, obviously creating a public disturbance for which he was arrested.

Take note also that there was no tazing or other use of force, excessive or otherwise. This leads me to believe that the officer was not excersizing his ego or authority but rather enforcing the public disturbance laws in force in that place at that time.

Personally, I fail to see any action on the part of the officer that might indicate a racial bias. The officer was sent to that residence to identify any persons there and to ensure the safety and property of the residence's owner. It seems that the only person who doesn't see the benefit of that policy is the home owner.

Also, personally, I fail to see the interest of POTUS in this situation. It is a municipal issue and if there are suspected to be genuine evidence of racial profiling involved, there is a federal agency in place to investigate and prosecute such actions. In fact, and take note here, if Obama's office pressured or threatened the DA to drop the charges because of his personal connection to Gates, it could be considered an obstruction of justice or influence peddling for which Obama could be charged, convicted and impeached.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
So far, the only person actually in the vicinity of the incident who thinks the officer did anything wrong, is Gates. Apparently, Obama thinks he's qualified to speak about things he is only privy to through hearsay and by virtue of his being a lawyer/former Constitutional Law professor, this worries me. A lot. The other people who acted wrongly are the Mayor, DA and Police chief. They should have examined the evidence before releasing Gates just because of his connection to Obama. Personally, if a person's character and actions aren't cause for their release, their connections shouldn't be.

This is a prime case of "It's not what you know, it's who you know. Right up there with Hollywood types being belligerent when they're pulled over and asking "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM????????????". It shouldn't matter who someone is, when they do something wrong. Getting off for any crime because of who someone knows makes them above the Law, and that's absolutely wrong.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
I think unless you were standing there witnessing the entire thing take place, you don't know what to think and shouldn't have any opinion.

The "brilliant Harvard scholar" and the "honest hardworking officer of the law" could have been and probably were two completely different people standing there, and only they know what really happened. Anyone else just offers their own biased opinions and baseless conjecture.

What do I think? I think we're paying entirely too much attention to the whole situation.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I think we're paying entirely too much attention to the whole situation.
I think that was the idea to get us paying attention to devert the masses from whats going on in congress:eek: Kinda like clinton sending in that air strike during the monica thingy:D all of this is purely just kidding
 
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