i want to a system that sounds like a rave concert

[fomoz]

Hello, I was wondering how much would it potentially cost to build a setup that would sound like a concert at a rave.

People who've been to rave concerts should know what I mean, but I'll try to explain this anyway.

To me, the sound at a rave is very special. I've been to other concerts (alternative, etc), but I can't really compare the sound to what a rave sounds like because the music is different.

Anyway, enough rambling. In brief, it is loud. Its really, really loud. The bass penetrates your whole body and you feel it pumping in your lungs. There is no resonance or distortion, its very tight and the response is fast. The mids and highs are clear and not too invasive.

In short, what I'm looking for is not reference quality sound, but it has to be clear and tight, and loud enough so that part of the experience is physical.

I've been attempting to reproduce at least the auditory experience by using headphones and earphones. I own Shure E4c earphones and Sony MDR-V700DJ headphones. The E4c have decent mids and highs, but the lack of bass makes the whole experience incomplete. The MDR-V700DJ have a bit more bass, but being awful headphones, their mids and highs are muddy and completely unpleasant. I've tried my friend's Westone 3 earphones (not with trance music though) and holy **** did they ever sound mindblowing. They made my E4c sound like basic iPod earphones. I need to try them with some trance (flac) and I'll report back.

Until then, is it possible to produce a system with loudspeakers and a reciever that will perform as I mentionned above, without getting commercial grade concert equipment? I don't know about the prices, but I'd imagine $5-10k? If it would cost like $100k, then I'd rather go to a rave instead.

 

[adwilk]

Check out JTR and Danley Labs...

I'd imagine JTR triple 12's and 2 growlers would put you back in the front row.

3 Behringer EP2500's and DCX2496 and a nice pre/pro.. Hope you live a long ways from ANYBODY...

Danley also makes some great stuff...


You could always add a different sub if you ever used the setup for HT.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Agreed..................

Check out JTR and Danley Labs...

I'd imagine JTR triple 12's and 2 growlers would put you back in the front row.

3 Behringer EP2500's and DCX2496 and a nice pre/pro.. Hope you live a long ways from ANYBODY...

Danley also makes some great stuff...


You could always add a different sub if you ever used the setup for HT.

 

[lsiberian]

You are talking pro-audio level stuff.

Yamaha makes very good pro-audio stuff from what I've seen.

Behringer makes decent mixers, and great amps.

I'd get a couple yamaha horns at least with 2 15" drivers in each speaker.


Add a couple of pro subs and you will likely have it made.

Speakers are the most important part of the whole thing.

 

[fomoz]

Check out JTR and Danley Labs...

I'd imagine JTR triple 12's and 2 growlers would put you back in the front row.

3 Behringer EP2500's and DCX2496 and a nice pre/pro.. Hope you live a long ways from ANYBODY...

Danley also makes some great stuff...


You could always add a different sub if you ever used the setup for HT.

Would this setup work from a standard 110v/15a outlet or do I need 240v/30a+? Would it all fit in one cargo van portability wise?

 

[fomoz]

I'm very new at this, but so far I think that I see you guys mentioning subs, but what about the woffers, tweeters and super tweeters?

btw, please include approx market prices if you know them offhand.

 

[lsiberian]

Would this setup work from a standard 110v/15a outlet or do I need 240v/30a+? Would it all fit in one van portability wise?

Depends on the van.

The amps are the huge part. The speakers, and subs are. But you don't need a huge ported sub for music applications.

You will need 2 people to carry the stuff unless you want to be wore out before the party starts. I also suggest you wear earplugs and have an SPL meter to monitor levels. You don't want to lose your hearing. The chest pounding come from the bass not your ears. So it won't effect that.

 

[fomoz]

referring yamaha, which one of these would you suggest?

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail.html?CNTID=23807&CTID=229400#

I guess I could find some used ones, right?

S112V
12" high power woofer
2" titanium compression driver
Integral pole socket for stand mounting
Perfect for small bands

S115V
15" cast frame woofer
2" pure titanium diaphragm
90 x 45 degree CD horn
Excellent for high-level music and vocals

S215V
Dual 15" cast frame woofers
2000-watt peak power handling
Tightly braced cabinet
Excellent high-output performer

SM10V
10" floor monitor
1" titanium dome compression driver
90 x 90 degree dispersion
Great where size is a concern

SM12V
12" 2-way floor monitor
Low profile design
Can easily be used as a main speaker
Awesome vocal monitor

SM15V
15" 2-way floor monitor
Heavy-duty cast frame woofer
Very high output
Ready for use with electronic music

SW115V
15" cast frame driver
Long-travel for solid bass down to 35Hz
Integral socket for main speaker pole
Appropriate wherever more bass is required

SW118V
18" cast frame driver
Response down to 30Hz
Efficient Bass reflex design
Great for use with dance music

SW218V
Dual 18" subwoofer
Cast frame drivers
2400-watt peak power handling
Amazing bass performance

as you may notice, the single sub ones are specified to be good with dance music, but I guess the dual ones are better?

I guess 2xSW218V and 2xS215 will do? How many amps do I need? Do I need more speakers or more of anything else? The room/territory would be small, less than 50 people.

btw, what are the SM "monitors" for? Do I need them too? edit: I just read that its for the performer, I guess I don't need them since the DJ can use headphones/IEM's, right?

 

[fomoz]

wow only $1260 for a pair of SW218V, this is really not as expensive as I thought!

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Pair-Yamaha-Club-Series-SW218V-subwoofers-SW218-sub_W0QQitemZ350226628072QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518b223de8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:1|66:2|39:1|293:1|294:50

Ok, after some research, I have some questions.



Given that I get two Yamaha SW218V and two S215V, how would I go about connecting the amps? Would one Behringer EP4000 handle both S215's (they're 2000 watt each), or do I need 2x EP2000? For the SW218V's (2400w) I guess I need 2x Behringer EP2500. Am I matching these properly?

So far the price is really good, 2x$1200 (S215V) + 2x$1260 (SW218V) + 2x$330 (EP2500) + $350 (EP4000) + $260 (DCX2496) = $3730 (everything new)

would buying used be a good idea? do I need anything else? would this work with my mp3 (flac) player as a source?

 

[FNG212]

Is this is for personal home use or traveling concert gear?

If this is stationary home gear you can build some insane subs that will destroy your residence. There are plans for a dual quad mal-x 18s tuned at (I think) 17Hz (8x 18" drivers) over on hometheatershack.com -- That will level your house. Until they release the 21" in the fall I don't know of any systems that can move more air. That is what you are experiencing at the raves: massive air displacement.

JL audio 13w7 (correct me Isiberian) in a good box (someone said it will work well in the Kappa box) will easily put out 120dB, if not 125-130 in a smaller room with a EP2500. Build $4k worth of those and pair them with some decent mids and you'll bleed your ears pretty easily for $10k.

 

[lsiberian]

Do you have wood working skills?

If not get one of these commercial subs

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=DTS 20

They are capable of meeting your needs.

 

[lsiberian]

Is this is for personal home use or traveling concert gear?

If this is stationary home gear you can build some insane subs that will destroy your residence. There are plans for a dual quad mal-x 18s tuned at (I think) 17Hz (8x 18" drivers) over on hometheatershack.com -- That will level your house. Until they release the 21" in the fall I don't know of any systems that can move more air. That is what you are experiencing at the raves: massive air displacement.

JL audio 13w7 (correct me Isiberian) in a good box (someone said it will work well in the Kappa box) will easily put out 120dB, if not 125-130 in a smaller room with a EP2500. Build $4k worth of those and pair them with some decent mids and you'll bleed your ears pretty easily for $10k.

On his budget I would most certainly suggest an Audiopulse sub or a tapped horn if he wants to DIY. But I think he may prefer a commercial solution.

 

[fomoz]

Is this is for personal home use or traveling concert gear?

If this is stationary home gear you can build some insane subs that will destroy your residence. There are plans for a dual quad mal-x 18s tuned at (I think) 17Hz (8x 18" drivers) over on hometheatershack.com -- That will level your house. Until they release the 21" in the fall I don't know of any systems that can move more air. That is what you are experiencing at the raves: massive air displacement.

JL audio 13w7 (correct me Isiberian) in a good box (someone said it will work well in the Kappa box) will easily put out 120dB, if not 125-130 in a smaller room with a EP2500. Build $4k worth of those and pair them with some decent mids and you'll bleed your ears pretty easily for $10k.

That would be awesome, but I'm not going to own a house anytime soon (I'm 22) so I need something highly portable, thats why the yamaha stuff looks good to me.

 

[fomoz]

Do you have wood working skills?

If not get one of these commercial subs

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=DTS 20

They are capable of meeting your needs.

at 220lbs you're really pushing it, but thanks

btw, i dont have any diy skill.

 

[lsiberian]

at 220lbs you're really pushing it, but thanks

btw, i dont have any diy skill.

That's only one sub

They have much smaller ones that are more than enough for your needs.

tapped horn subs can get rock concert volumes.

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=TH MINI

That one is only 60lbs

You might even get away with a v112. Since it can be crossed pretty high.

 

[fomoz]

That's only one sub

They have much smaller ones that are more than enough for your needs.

tapped horn subs can get rock concert volumes.

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=TH MINI

That one is only 60lbs

You might even get away with a v112. Since it can be crossed pretty high.

Where would I buy that? I can't find any on eBay...

The Yamaha's are no good? I would prefer something popular that would be easy to find and sell if necessary.

 

[lsiberian]

Where would I buy that? I can't find any on eBay...

The Yamaha's are no good? I would prefer something popular that would be easy to find and sell if necessary.

Danley sounds labs subs will be far superior to the Yamaha sub. They use better drivers and are designed for high output.

Their resale value wouldn't be a problem. However the customers looking for one would be large scale folks. This isn't your momma's sub for sure.

You can always get a low cost PA setup and see if that works before dropping big cash.

Get or demo pair of the Behringer Eurolive speakers with a single sub. Get a XENY mixer and you got a nice setup to start with.

 

[FNG212]

Isiberian is definitely a guy you want to listen to about subs but I think it would help still if you clarified what your exact use for this system will be.

Are you a DJ? Are you going to be putting on shows? It might help if we know why you need a highly portable earthquake inducing system (not a criticism in the slightest)

And ++Audiopulse drivers

 

[fomoz]

Isiberian is definitely a guy you want to listen to about subs but I think it would help still if you clarified what your exact use for this system will be.

Are you a DJ? Are you going to be putting on shows? It might help if we know why you need a highly portable earthquake inducing system (not a criticism in the slightest)

And ++Audiopulse drivers

I'm not a DJ, but I just like going to raves a lot. I want to be able to host mini-raves outdoors (in the forest or on a field) with some friends, where we would be able to pick our own music.

lsiberian: whats a PA setup? What are eurolive speakers and how much are they (if you know)?

 

[adwilk]

Gotta be honest, for music the JTR growlers are gonna be hard to beat IMO. You dont want to get into HT subs, they just wont have the mid bass slam that a loaded pro audio sub will have. A couple growlers will peel your face back and make your ribs hurt. I heard a couple of these at an outdoor venue (med size) and they flat blew me away... not just SPL but they sounded AMAZING. The guy behind the board said he was barely using them. The new triple8's would be a great portable solution. Just rack up your Processor and Amps and travel with those things. From what I'm reading, the JTR stuff will destroy the Yammy stuff at the same price point. That said, Yamaha makes some nice stuff and I'm sure you'd be happy.

Seriously though, THE GROWLER is INSANE. INSANE.