Classic movie lovers help me choose.

J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
^ Are you looking for Classics or Foreign Movies?
Both, although they are obviously not mutually exclusive.

And I guess on DVD is also fine (doesn't have to be on Blu-ray?).
Not exactly. I haven't watched DVD since '07. But I would make an exception for Le Poulpe. I haven't met anyone in the US that has seen it, let alone heard of it.
And are you into Classical Music? OK, I know you are, but on the multichannel SACD format,
DVD-Audio format, Blu-ray format, HD DVD format, DVD format or CD format?
My greatest collection of classical music is actually on paper; scores. Next is CDs. There is not a third. Ok, bluray, but I only have two. The other besides the Bach recording, is the NYP in Pyongyang.

I happen to have an extensive collection of Classic and Foreign movies.
I also happen to have a sizeable collection on Classical Music from all formats.
I believe you.

I grew up with Classical music (vinyls, or albums, or LPs if you prefer).
Johann Sebastian Bach is also one of my favorite dead composer, alongside Beethoven, Mozart...
LOTR
I've said before that if I had to choose between Bach, and all of the other music ever created in the entire world, I would be hard pressed to choose. However, I know my opinion is rather extreme.

TBH, I don't listen to much Bach, except when the soul is starving, or perhaps when I am sad/depressed (which is a very rare occurrence, but it does happen every once in a long while). When that happens, it gets cranked. :D

For me, it's all about the fugues. Outside of that, I like everything from medieval (Hildegard von Bingen), to very acerbic dodecaphonic stuff from more modern composers.

I do have a sweet tooth for Brahms chamber stuff, Shostakovich symphonies, keyboard in general, etc.
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Alex, I'm sure you don't mind, but I'm going to respond to PM here. I think it's cool you're attepting to expand your musical horizons, but as you noted, who knows how you'll feel about your impending netflix arrivals.

I think the Musical Offering is pretty austere stuff, particularly for someone getting their feet wet. I'd say the same for the Art of Fugue, for example. I think, perhaps, you ought to try something more exuberant like the Goldberg Variations, or maybe some stylized baroque dance suites for solo instrument, such as the Cello Suites. (People seem to really love the cello.)

From what I remember, I think my favorite recording I've heard of the Goldberg is on harpsichord, by Pierre Hantai, but I fear the instrument doesn't please a lot of laymen. I do enjoy its extreme clarity. From what I remember, I think I was disappointed with Perahia's version. The most well known version, easily, comes from Glenn Gould, whether early, middle, or late. His first, in fact debut recording, is the only classical album to ever break Billboard Top Ten, AFAIK. As for Billboard's classical top ten, or something like that, it was on top for many years. He is eccentric, and will push the boundaries of interpretation, and that works well with Bach, because his music is that good. Even with a beginner playing easier stuff of this composer, he/she doesn't have an easy time in sounding bad. However, when Gould plays Mozart, or Beethoven, I start rolling my eyes.

For the Cello stuff, Pablo Casals was the first to champion the work, AFAIK. However, detractors would say it's performed without balance, perhaps like a romantic work. Some might say the same for Rostropovich's rendition. I really like the version I own by Schiff. I've heard Anner Bylsma's (yep, a Dutchman) recording, and that is top notch. One of the cool things about it is that the very last suite is performed how it's supposed to be, on a 5 string cello, and IIRC he borrows the 5 string Stradivarius from the US Library of Congress to record it.

I really love the Well-Tempered Clavier in particular. Book I or II.

Uh, hope this helps. :p
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
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Alex, I'm sure you don't mind, but I'm going to respond to PM here.
No sweat. I wanted to let you know that your input was being acted upon without polluting your arts fartsy movie thread with music talk. French movies ?!? I won't even watch French porn !!! :D

I think my favorite recording I've heard of the Goldberg is on harpsichord, by Pierre Hantai, but I fear the instrument doesn't please a lot of laymen.
Speaking of harpsichords, I brought this home yesterday:



I understand that Beethoven was his understudy and I just like knowing that. Don't let me catch you speaking ill of the mighty Ludwig Van again. :) My entire interest in classical music is based on the 4th movement of the 9th symphony if I even said that right. I think it's called Ode de Joy or something.

Uh, hope this helps. :p
We shall see. It's over my head for the most part. I think you're just being pretentious. Oh !!! :eek: :p :D

Just kidding. I really appreciate the guidance. :)
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Ok, Blu-ray it is then. I'm pretty much like you on this Josten, I'm not watching DVDs anymore since about the same time than you. But I do have more than two Blu-rays. :)
You probably meant on Classical Music though, for sure.

I really do appreciate your response to my previous questions, as you give a good feedback.

If you would like, I can make you a list of great classical recordings (you do like harpsichord, and Shostakovich Symphonies...). You do like keyboard (Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis... ;) ).

My list would be from my own physical and spiritual listening experience.
Say, about a hundred titles or so, just to start. On CDs of course, surely not on paper.
By the way, are you a music composer?

Anyway, Josten, nice chatting with you man. You tell me what mood you are, and I tell you which music to go along. :)
It's nice to see people that are into Classical, there are not many around; it takes a certain maturity of the mind and appreciation of true work of passion.
I don't write music myself, but I do play it (improvisation with folk, soul, blues influence). I am also a song writer.
My favorite instrument (to listen to) is the piano, of course.
I play acoustic guitar, classical guitar, electric blues guitar, soprano and alto steel flutes, harmonica, clarinet (not much though), and few other exotic instruments from all around the world and made from various woods (I love wood). I am also a poet, a sculptor, a painter, a philosopher, a technical designer (precise architectural and geometry drawings). I also love to make my own mediums.
I can also anticipate contingencies ahead of their occurrences (kind of a spiritual medium). I don't talk with dead people though.

Anyway, tha's cool man, you are a pretty good guy, mostly very friendly with an appreciation of true Music. And you also like true Classic Cinema. It takes great affinity to nurture those skills.
Welcome to my club, my domain, my passion, between others.

Best regards,

Bob
 
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Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
OK Alex, you play Banjo, hein?

Quick verification question: how many strings on a banjo?

You got only two minutes to respond, no cheating.
 
jliedeka

jliedeka

Audioholic General
I thought of one more bat-sh** crazy foreign film. I've only seen it on DVD. If you get a chance, check out Tokyo Gore Police. If you think Tarantino films are too gory, you'll probably want to give this one a miss. Think the fight at the Japanese bar at the end of Kill Bill 1.

Jim
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
I thought of one more bat-sh** crazy foreign film. I've only seen it on DVD. If you get a chance, check out Tokyo Gore Police. If you think Tarantino films are too gory, you'll probably want to give this one a miss. Think the fight at the Japanese bar at the end of Kill Bill 1.

Jim
I like that kind of stuff, it reminds me when I was growing up as a kid in my neighborhood. Quite charming people indeed. :D
Still lucky to be alive today, but look where I end up. ;)
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
No sweat. I wanted to let you know that your input was being acted upon without polluting your arts fartsy movie thread with music talk. French movies ?!? I won't even watch French porn !!!
I figured, but by that time, it was already too late! :eek:

Speaking of harpsichords, I brought this home yesterday:

You impress me! Never heard of those performers.

Haydn is known to be very difficult to perform on keyboard, because the stuff is so "exposed" as musicians say. Some piano music lovers used to say that Ravel's Gaspard de la Nuit is the hardest thing to play, but that's BS I am led to believe. I trust certain musicians who've performed both in the same program when they say the Haydn stuff is way harder.

I understand that Beethoven was his understudy and I just like knowing that. Don't let me catch you speaking ill of the mighty Ludwig Van again. :) My entire interest in classical music is based on the 4th movement of the 9th symphony if I even said that right. I think it's called Ode de Joy or something.
My intention was not to highlight any kind of inferiority (although I can now see how that can be interpreted), but just how crazy eccentric Gould could be. That was my real intention, sorry.

We shall see. It's over my head for the most part. I think you're just being pretentious. Oh !!!

Just kidding. I really appreciate the guidance. :)
Uh . . . you're welcome? *deleted smiley, cuz I've got 10 here already*

Here is a bonus recommendation for you. I promise that if you buy it, your cultured monkey index will rise by at least 500 points. No, it's really exquisite. It's just four dudes, and yeah a couple of them can sing pretty high, but it's just amazing stuff. Even IF you did NOT like it, I am led to believe it would STILL be VERY useful if only as a demo disc to audition with.



If you would like, I can make you a list of great classical recordings (you do like harpsichord, and Shostakovich Symphonies...). You do like keyboard (Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis... ;) ).

My list would be from my own physical and spiritual listening experience.
Say, about a hundred titles or so, just to start. On CDs of course, surely not on paper.
No thank you.

By the way, are you a music composer?
No. I've written a couple of things, maybe my best being a short string quartet work, but no, I am not, and haven't in many many years.

Anyway, Josten, nice chatting with you man. You tell me what mood you are, and I tell you which music to go along. :)
No thank you.

I thought of one more bat-sh** crazy foreign film. I've only seen it on DVD. If you get a chance, check out Tokyo Gore Police. If you think Tarantino films are too gory, you'll probably want to give this one a miss. Think the fight at the Japanese bar at the end of Kill Bill 1.

Jim
Thanks. Hm, I bet my brother would like it. :eek:

I've enjoyed Emir Kustarica films... "Underground" does get long, but the first half is pretty hilarious. It's intended to be a satirical portrayal of post WWII history of Yuogslavia. The director is Serbian.



 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I just ordered it from Amazon. Mine was around $13 shipped for a new one. Why were some of them like $50 - $75?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00000DFKJ/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all
HAH! you ordered it, sweet. Uh, I don't know what people are thinking when they ask that much for a cd. I remember buying the autobiography of the guy that The Pianist was based on, and it was less than $10, but someone was asking somewhere around $100... :rolleyes:

I hope you like it. I think you'll like the first work, the Requiem. But, now that I think about it, I fear the Prophetiae Sibyllarum might be too funky for someone just getting started. Sorry, if that happens to be the case. It's not complete insanity like with say the microtonality in Gorli's Requiem, but probably too funky for most people.

Anyhoo, congrats! :D
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
400 Blows (or Quatre Cent Coups en Francais) is one of the best pieces of cinema that I have ever watched. Films of this quality are rarely made, and in my opinion its made even more powerful b/c there's a lot of truth in it. Francois Truffaut is an absolute genius- in my opinion he's the equivalent of a Mozart of film. Even if you do not purchase 400 Blows right now, if you appreciate film you must watch this movie at some point.

If you find you like Truffaut, then you should also pick up "Jules et Jim" (which was very controversial in its day), "La Chambre Verte" (the Green Room), and La Derniere Metro (The Last Metro- an incredibly powerful WWII movie).

Other French films that are my favorites- Au Revoir Les Enfants (Louis Malle true story about his experiences as a child during WWII), La Ronde (about a series of affairs), and of course Indochine (Catherine Deneuve is a goddess).
aberkowitz, I got around to watching it over the weekend. I greatly enjoyed it. Very much. The kid actor was marvelous IMO. The PQ was simply fantastic! I love when Criterion does right by a film, and one gets to see that really beautiful, and consistent film grain. The shadow detail was really, really good, particularly at dusk, walking across streets. I don't know if BW films increase perceived details of shadow or not, however, but it looked reeeally good IMO. Owning The Third Man, albeit so much older, I didn't have very high expectations of such good PQ going into this one.

I can see how you might liken this work to one of Mozart's. A very palatable delivery of some rather mature themes. If one was to explain in words the details of the plot, one might think that it could be just ever so slightly far fetched (I think), but it goes so naturally that I feel like there was no other way for the story to go.

I already look forward to the second viewing. Thanks for the other rec's too, because it saves my breath in asking you for more. :) I just am going to wait at least another month before adding such titles.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
^ I agree too, I love B&W movies, they have the best shadows and best details too.
I just wish they were making more. B&W films is my type, it fills my bag.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
400 Blows (or Quatre Cent Coups en Francais) is one of the best pieces of cinema that I have ever watched. Films of this quality are rarely made, and in my opinion its made even more powerful b/c there's a lot of truth in it. Francois Truffaut is an absolute genius- in my opinion he's the equivalent of a Mozart of film. Even if you do not purchase 400 Blows right now, if you appreciate film you must watch this movie at some point.

If you find you like Truffaut, then you should also pick up "Jules et Jim" (which was very controversial in its day), "La Chambre Verte" (the Green Room), and La Derniere Metro (The Last Metro- an incredibly powerful WWII movie).

Other French films that are my favorites- Au Revoir Les Enfants (Louis Malle true story about his experiences as a child during WWII), La Ronde (about a series of affairs), and of course Indochine (Catherine Deneuve is a goddess).
OK, aberkowitz, I just watched The Last Metro this week from Netflix. I greatly enjoyed it, even if I agree with you it's not quite on the same level as the 400 Blows. So, I'm on a Truffaut kick!

Which one do I see now? Crap, I just looked and I think I might have seen the only two available on BD.

Well, at least Wolverine from Netflix arrives today, lol. whiz-bang!
 

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