bass around the room?

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pjoseph

Full Audioholic
I just hooked up my diy sub a jl 13 w1 ported box powered by a behringer ep2500.
my room is small about 12' X 12' I usually sit on a chair which is in the back right corner of the room, the sub is in the center of the wall to my left.
In the chair the sub is very loud now when i get up and move towards the center the bass is lower.
Can someone explain why this is?
Is it because the low freq are bouncing off the two walls that make up the corner.
Is this a case for acoustic panels?
 
Matt34

Matt34

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I just hooked up my diy sub a jl 13 w1 ported box powered by a behringer ep2500.
my room is small about 12' X 12' I usually sit on a chair which is in the back right corner of the room, the sub is in the center of the wall to my left.
In the chair the sub is very loud now when i get up and move towards the center the bass is lower.
Can someone explain why this is?
Is it because the low freq are bouncing off the two walls that make up the corner.
Is this a case for acoustic panels?

It's a case for the use of multiple subs to even out the room response. Here is an excellent study into but I warn you, it's some heavy reading.;)

http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/20090628/13680.pdf
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Your room has a square footprint, so bass will have the most cancellation in the center of the room.
 
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pjoseph

Full Audioholic
will acoustic panels and or bass traps reduce the cancelation in the center of the room?
 
Miltcharlie

Miltcharlie

Audioholic Intern
Is the sub firing forward?
I found it best 4 me to have the sub firing across the room
instead of into my 10x12 room.

And I do have room treatments.
 
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PeterWhite

Audioholic
The extremely low frequencies that a subwoofer is active in are omnidirectional, so the direction the driver is pointed isn't relevant. Only the location of the driver matters. And in a small square room without bass trapping, I think there's really no way to get flat response from a subwoofer.

Bass trapping helps quite a bit. The more bass you absorb, the less bounces off walls and is available to either double the output (at certain frequencies and locations) or cancel the output, (at certain other frequencies and locations). In theory, if you had total bass absorption, the frequency response would be the same in every location inside the room. Just as it would be outside in an open field.

I've got bass traps in every corner possible, and I've stuffed dense cotton above all of the drop-ceiling tiles. The improvement was substantial, both measured with a meter, and in listening.

Without bass trapping, you can move the sub around, which will change the specific locations of the various peaks and nulls in the subwoofer/room response. So, let's say you're able to get 30hz at the correct level right at your ears. A few feet away, 40hz could have a null. Move the sub to a new location, and at your ears, 30hz could now have a null and 40hz could be perfect. No matter where you put the sub, both 30hz and 40hz will never be the same at any one location.
 
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pjoseph

Full Audioholic
Thanks for the input.

Peterwhite thanks for the info that makes sense.
I do plan on making my own traps I actually have a large sheet of left over mineral wool at home from the sub project.
I am pretty new to all the acoustic stuff so I am not 100% on how I want to go about making these panels.

I prefer the volume of bass that is present in the corners of the room, will adding the traps reduce this volume, or will it keep it more consistent throughout the room?
thanks again
 
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PeterWhite

Audioholic
If you could eliminate all reflections, you would therefore eliminate all peaks and nulls due to the room, and you'd be left with the speaker's output. You have quite a bit of control over the speaker's output with most modern A/V receivers, so you can have all the bass you want, assuming the hardware is up to the task.

I suppose that ultimately, if you eliminated all reflections, you would be 6db down from the very loudest bass at some frequencies, but that should not be a problem. I can't imagine anyone but a true glutton for punishment who would want that much bass. ;-)
 

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