Opinions on these two AVR's: Onkyo 706 and Denon 2309

mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
help on experiences / rumors / general idea on the Onkyo 706 and Denon 2309

also note that the Philippine 2309 has pre-outs

(don't have the money, but it would be nice to upgrade my jurassic Denon 2307 with it's 2 HDMI in's)

denon pros:
i've been ok with denon reliability

denon cons:
selecting AUX input on the remote requires you to flip the remote and open the back panel

Onkyo pros:
something new
blue light around the volume knob

onkyo cons:
unknown

which looks better?


which is the better receiver?
does the onkyo have OSD through HDMI?
does the onkyo have a volume display overlaid on your display through HDMI?
 
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Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Here's my take.

Hey Mike,

That's a good one from you. These two receivers are quite similar in their category and price range.

You are right, the 2309ci does not have preouts. But the 706 does.

* The Denon 2309ci has Audyssey MultEQ (6 mic positions), 4 HDMI inputs and 1 out.
The list price is $849, and it weights about 30 lbs.
It also has Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.
The Dac is an 8-channel Dac (one chip), the Burr-Brown TI DSD-1608.
The DSP is an Analog Devices Sharc 32-bit floating point DSP chip. I believe that there are two of them.

* The Onkyo TX-SR706 has Audyssey MultEQ (6 mic positions), same as the Denon 2309. The 706 has also 4 HDMI inputs and 1 output, again, same as the Denon 2309.
The list price is $899, and it weights about 27 lbs. (Actually, the Denon 2309 and the Onkyo 706 weight pretty much the same weight, when put on an accurate scale).
The Dac in the 706 is the Cirrus Logic Crystal CS-42528, an 8-channel Dac in one chip.
The DSP is the Texas Instruments Aureus, there are two of them, both 32-bit floating point quantization DSP chip devices.
And like I said, there are preouts for all channels.
And the 706 is THX Select2 Plus certified and it has THX Volume Plus and Audyssey Dynamic volume, but not Audyssey Dynamic EQ.

Looks: that's a personal preference, it's your call (but sound quality is not affected, of course).
* And also don't forget which one's got the nicest butt (rear).

Street price: I know that you can get the 706 for less than $500. The 2309ci, I don't know, but my guess is that it is a bit more.

Value (street): I'll say the Onkyo.

*** Conclusion *** Now! The big question, which one should you pick?
Well, you are already acquainted with the Denon sound from your present AVR-2307.
My best suggestion to you, is to get the Onkyo 706, install it in your system, try it for a couple of weeks or so, to get acquainted, try Audyssey, and see if you like it better than your 2307. If yes, just keep it. If no, just return it, and get the Denon 2309ci. No two ways about it, very simple. Life couldn't be better. :)

Cheers,

Bob

Note: I see that you just edited your post to add some extra info.
Again, the look, it's your call (for me, they both look fine, perhaps with the Denon taking the edge).
The Onkyo have a nice and simple remote (better than the Denon, in my book).
Reliability: Denon is not a problem (I own the 3805). Onkyo, I cannot say yet as it is less than a year that I got mine (805).
If you did follow the thread between Gamblet and myself, you'll see that Gamblet made the right move by getting the older Onkyo TX-SR705. It's all in there, in that thread.
The Onkyos have OSD through their HDMI output (including the 706 & the 705).
Volume display overlaid on your screen display? LOL, that's a good one. I just don't know, as I never use on-screen-display anyway, I always turn that feature OFF on all my receivers.
Besides, in the Onkyo receivers, it is recommended to turn the Immediate Display OFF, by THX recommendation, and I totally agree. But if you like to use that feature (bad for impurities), I'm sure someone will let you know quite soon.

Again, which one is the better one? Very easy answer; the one that pleases you the most.
Just like I suggested you in my conclusion. But now I'm throwing the Onkyo TX-SR705 into the equation (but remember, the upscaling on the 705 is up to 720p; but then it does pass through 1080p in pristine form, which the 706 altered by affecting WbW and BaB, below White & above Black).

Having fun yet?
 
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mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
thanks for the info Bob. more info about me and my situation:
-over here in the Philippines ... they're about the same price (800+USD). i can easily get one from there but i hate 110v.
-since i'm way over here, our 2309 has pre-outs :) [even my 2307 has pre-outs]
-and we can't return stuff like you guys can. (no demos too)
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Take #2.

thanks for the info Bob. more info about me and my situation:
-over here in the Philippines ... they're about the same price (800+USD). i can easily get one from there but i hate 110v.
-since i'm way over here, our 2309 has pre-outs :) [even my 2307 has pre-outs]
-and we can't return stuff like you guys can. (no demos too)
Ahhh... I did not know that you were over there.
Which means that the Denon AVR-2309ci has also preouts, same as the Onkyo TX-SR706.

One thing that I can sense from your original post, is that you are already tilting toward the Denon; that I know.

But to make things a bit more complicated for you, here's the thread I was taling about previously; it's called "Midrange Receiver + Satellite System 5.1"
It was staretd by Gamblet. And it is pretty much between us two.

* Here: http://www.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55527

--> I suggest that you read it all, as there is quite a bit of information in there with few very good links. It's quite short actually (only eight pages) .

And one other thing Mike, don't fret the small details; like OSD, GUI, Volume Display overlaid with HDMI, remote control (you can always get an Harmony Universal remote), preouts (unless you are going to use them), 720p or 1080p (unless you have a very bad blu-ray player), looks (front & back), and other unimportant stuff...

But do concentrate on build quality, reliability, overall performance and not least, absolute enjoyment. :)

It's too bad that you guys cannot buy one and return it before the 30 days expiration time with your full money back.
I guess the best that you can do in this case, is to go to a store for a demonstration of both units (perhaps from two different audio stores).
If not available, then, it's a tough call indeed.
At the end, I really do believe that both units (for the same price in your area) are equally very good.
Then Mike, I suggest that you do more reading, in particular at AVS, from these two respective receivers' owner's thread. Because, between these two, I surely cannot say which one will rock your boat.
And just wait till more members here at Audioholics have to say about it.
You never know, someone might just turn the tide for you. :)
But I do know, that you are already tilted to the Denon, as of now. ;)
Time will tell if your tilt still stand. :)

Don't rush it, take Time on your side (as in ally).

Cheers,

Bob
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Some revisions.

Hey Mike, I just want to correct some info from my first post.

* The Denon AVR-2309ci has only one (not two) DSP chip,
the Analog Devices HammerHead Sharc 21367 DSP LSI chip.
The 2309ci weights 27.8 lbs net.
Maximum power consumption is rated at 5.5 amps.

* The Onkyo TX-SR706 does have Audyssey Dynamic EQ.
It is the Audyssey Dynamic Volume that is missing.
And the 706 weights 26.9 lbs net.
Maximum power consumption is rated at 5.9 amps.

That's it. :)

Bob
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Maximum power consumption is rated at 5.9 amps.


Bob
Be careful Bob, it does not say maximum. From what I have read so far only HK specifies "maximum" power consumption. There must be others who do that too but I have not come across them. For those who only specify the so called "consumption" or "power consumption", I recall Gene posted some information before regarding what they based the "power consumption" on. If you are interested, try doing a search.

Another thing, I thought Onkyo should know that current is not the same as power. 5.9A at 120V =708VA but that is not necessary the same as 708W unless the power factor=1. Power factor=1 only when current and voltage are in phase, but that is never the case for audio power amplifiers.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
At this price level I would take the Denon. It looks more "normal" and I believe it yielded better ACD power (not that it matters since they both have preouts and you have many amps) in bench tests. If you are comparing their higher end models such as the 3808 vs 905 then the Onkyo has the edge in terms of power and video capabilities.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
update:

Denon pros:
-reliability
-shaped better
-blue HD audio icon on the display

Onkyo pros:
-denon remote for this level is crap
-i like this silver finish
-i like the blue ring
-i'd like to try onkyo to complete the usual suspects of receivers since i've tried yammy, HK and denon already
 
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Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Just a simple thought.

Be careful Bob, it does not say maximum.
You're right Peng, it does not say "maximum"... It only says "Power Consumption".
But we three know that it will almost certainly not draw that much in actual delivery, because of energy lost as heat (about 50%).
So, 3 amps will be more like it in actual normal use.
Is that sounds more in touch with reality? I know that I'm not quite there, as I'm not an expert on this. Mathematics is not my forte. :eek:

update:
Onkyo pros:
-i'd like to try onkyo to complete the usual suspects of receivers since i've tried yammy, HK and denon already
That's quite interesting Mike, as I pretty much did just that.
I already have a Kenwood (KR-5010), a Pioneer (VSX-9300s), a Yamaha (RX-V2092), a Marantz (SR-18), a couple of Denons (PMA-250 & AVR-3805), and now with my last two that are not even a year old in use, a couple of Onkyos (TX-SR805 & TX-SR876). Oh, and I never bought Harman Kardon, just try a few demos at home, but not for long. I'm just not an HK guy. Now I'm just an OK (OnKyo) guy. And I'm certainly not an HCF guy (Hard Core Follower).
So, these last two (OK) pretty much complete the big names from Japan.
And I never owned OnKyo before, but now I'm glad that I got these two gladiators; they really T-ReX (TX-) my my place to ShReds (SR).
I was very tempted to go with the Denon AVR-3808ci, but I end up turning my back on it. And money was probably the biggest factor; just too expensive in comparison of other brands, so I get fed up with the unjustifiable price difference.

So, here you have it, a small part of my story.

But whichever one you choose Mike, it will be the right choice, so don't fret it too much.

Bob
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I think Denon makes more reliable receivers, but for you that doesn't seem a concern since you switch so much. :p

For your sake I suggest the Onkyo so you can improve your expertise in helping folks here at AH. You will have tried it all and will know what the best it. If there is a 705 around it's amazing.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I'm on my second Onkyo, and all I have experienced is that they work perfectly. However, reading about others' experiences has me lean away from this brand in the future.

The best thing Onkyo has going for it is value. The sweetspot price points used to be at around the 805 level, and now IMO resides at the 876 level. However, in this case, if the price is the same, the best thing Onkyo had going for it is now a moot point.

So I vote Denon. However, do you really need more than 2 HDMI ins? Not that a switcher wouldn't solve the problem...

and as for the remote, a universal remote is a lot cheaper than a new receiver.

I dunno, if there isn't a REAL performance advantage, and you like your current receiver, I'd just keep it.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
I think Denon makes more reliable receivers, but for you that doesn't seem a concern since you switch so much. :p

For your sake I suggest the Onkyo so you can improve your expertise in helping folks here at AH. You will have tried it all and will know what the best it. If there is a 705 around it's amazing.
you mean the 705 over the 706?
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
I'm on my second Onkyo, and all I have experienced is that they work perfectly. However, reading about others' experiences has me lean away from this brand in the future.

The best thing Onkyo has going for it is value. The sweetspot price points used to be at around the 805 level, and now IMO resides at the 876 level. However, in this case, if the price is the same, the best thing Onkyo had going for it is now a moot point.

So I vote Denon. However, do you really need more than 2 HDMI ins? Not that a switcher wouldn't solve the problem...

and as for the remote, a universal remote is a lot cheaper than a new receiver.

I dunno, if there isn't a REAL performance advantage, and you like your current receiver, I'd just keep it.
well, i really do need to get a new receiver for another setup, so instead of getting the crappiest receiver for that one, i should replace mine with something better.

i've thought about the switcher, but it's kinda corny :)
oh, and i do have a harmony 890 sitting on the stand uncharged and unused. (can't teach an old dog new tricks)

one thing i forgot to check is the 12v trigger, i need one - so that might make or break either of these two. :)

btw, the Onkyo has a 12v zone 2 trigger ... can that be reprogrammed to trigger an external amp in zone 1?
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I think Denon makes more reliable receivers, but for you that doesn't seem a concern since you switch so much. :p
I owned a 1705, 3805 and 4308 so I know how reliable they are.

For your sake I suggest the Onkyo so you can improve your expertise in helping folks here at AH. You will have tried it all and will know what the best it. If there is a 705 around it's amazing.
I agreed, but I assume you meant "for our" sake, i.e. we want mike to be our guinea pig.:D:D
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I'd rather have the Denon in this case, but if you can find the TX-SR805 for nearly the same or less than either I'd get that way over those other two (better DACs, better amplifier, better at lots of things).
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
tie breaker guys. i just realized my 2307 (and the 2309) can use the user mode 1,2 and 3 to memorize specific inputs (i can use that rather than flipping the remote to reach the aux input button)

the Onkyo 706 has a 12v zone 2 trigger. my question is, can this be used for zone 1 external amp triggering WITHOUT clicking on an extra button (i want it triggered the moment i turn on the receiver)

if the onkyo can't do that, it goes byebye. help?
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Onkyo TX-SR705 = no small peanuts.

you mean the 705 over the 706?
Yes, that's what Isiberian meant, and it is also my recommendation.

* The Onkyo TX-SR705 has Audyssey MultEQ XT (up to 8 microphone positions). It is a much more elaborate system (better EQ in the low bass), than Audyssey MultEQ. But you probably already knew that.
And by the way the 706 and the Denon 2309ci are only Audyssey MultEQ.

The 705 is also a bit better built than the 706, with just a bit more omph.
And it is still THX Select2 certified.
It does miss the Plus, but it's not a minus in my book.
It also miss Audysey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume. But these are only valuable by individual personal use basis.

So, from Isiberian and myself perspective, the Onkyo TX-SR705 is the better choice. The 705 weights 28.4 lbs. It also has a digital Optical output, which the 706 don't. It also has an A/C input, which the 706 don't. And it also has three Component video inputs, which the 706 has two. And it is the highest rated as for power consumption betwen the 706 and 2309.
The 705 power consumption is rated at at 6.2 amps, not too shabby at all.

*Also the 705 has three (3) Texas Instruments Aureus 32-bit floatin point DSP chips,
the TMS 320 Dac 710, the TMS 320 D 708 and the TMS 320 D 707.
** What does it means? It means it has a lot of horse power processing, for the much more accurate Audyssey EQ for the low frequencies, and of course the THX modes, in addition of the new high res. audio decodings.

Bob
 
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mike c

mike c

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ordered. delivery today. :D

[my expertise in shifting funds around to pay for expenses is needed again]
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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I'd rather have the Denon in this case, but if you can find the TX-SR805 for nearly the same or less than either I'd get that way over those other two (better DACs, better amplifier, better at lots of things).
+1 > But I figure that Mike knew that already. And Mike, living overseas, might not be able to find a good deal on the 805, even less to find it.
 
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