ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
I don't live right on top of my neighbors but they are pretty close. I could throw a tennis ball and hit the side of their house.

I wish I could hear an IB setup before trying to do one. I would hate to do an install and then never use it because I refuse to be bothersome with my audio. That car analogy really turned me off from the whole project. I HATE it when folks share their music by turning up the bass in their car. It is so disrespectful. I can't imagine being that type of neighbor.
Dude, you’re making it out to be worse than it is.

IB benefits are not simply ‘it’s louder’... heck, it doesn't even have to be. It’s a smoother, flatter FR without the need to ‘tune’ a box. They typically will go VERY low… as low as 5hz in some people’s setups which makes for excellent HT quality sound. It’s a simple install. Requires quite a bit less power than most any subwoofer in an enclosure setup.

If you rock a single 12” loud enough your neighbors are going to hear it. Be responsible with the volume knob. It’s that simple.
I’d rather have 2 15’s IB and take it easy on them than hammer a 12” to get the same output.
 
ivseenbetter

ivseenbetter

Senior Audioholic
Good point. I probably overreacted there. I just hated that car sub analogy. I hate that. Still, I wish I could hear an IB setup first.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Good point. I probably overreacted there. I just hated that car sub analogy. I hate that. Still, I wish I could hear an IB setup first.
The only problem with an IB setup is that you don't actually know how it will respond in your setting until it is done. It'd probably be spectacular, but, you might find that you don't like it and then wish you'd never made it. Chances of the latter happening are pretty slim, imho.

Also, if you're planning on moving anytime soon it might be wise to hold off.

-pat
 
ivseenbetter

ivseenbetter

Senior Audioholic
Wife says we are in our forever home...well, until we retire which seems like forever away. I can't see us outgrowing the place anytime soon.

Of course, it may be awhile before I would do IB as I will research this to death before I decide what to do. I just found it odd that there wasn't much talk about this solution on this type of forum. It seems like a lot of folks are interested in it though...just don't talk about it much.
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
I was at a GTG six months ago in Austin where the owner had an IB setup using dual 15's on opposite side of his "master bedroom size" HT and then last weekend I flew to Deleware to attend a GTG of a buddy who put a SVS PB13 Ultra in a huge "very professional" looking system with four rows of teired seating and Top fo the Line Dynaudio speakers all the way around. Both systems were fantastic for what they did.

The IB was far better at pushing more air (and you felt it) but don't discount the PB13 because that gave some of the most realstic impressive bass in a huge theater I have ever heard. The benefit of the PB13 was the fact that you could control all aspects of the sub, while with an IB setup, the bass gets lower but the back pressure can be heard by nearby neighbors if you play the system loud enough.

Because you are undecided, I would look more towards the SVS PB13 for better user control. If you feel your house is far enough away then go with the IB. A good test if you can do it, is to hook up your most powerful sub in the attic, turn it up very loud (not enough to harm the sub) and play some bass heavy demo scenes. Step outside and walk till you can no longer hear that. Now when you reach the distance where you can't hear it. Double that distance and you should be safe enough to try an IB setup.

There are some great videos of IB's in use on Youtube and there is one where a guy is in a huge closet like area behind his subs and the bass pressure is insane with how powerful the back pressure from the subs become (he used 4 15"s) It can become very insane, but you have to ask yourself is more better? I have a SVS NSD12/2 in my great room and although would love the PB13 the current sub I'm using is only level 3 (out of 10) so since I barely have this on, getting a sub so powerful would have no effect, because I'm not even coming close to using the current one to it's potential.
 
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westcott

Audioholic General
I think the biggest issue that no one here seems to be talking about is that subwoofer placement is critical to good frequency response. It is not all about how loud a subwoofer can get or how low it can go, but how flat the frequency response is over its ENTIRE range!!!

The key to a flat frequency response is how it interacts with a room. And that is why subwoofer placement is critical to proper frequency response. An IB system does NOT allow for this. There is no way to test before cutting holes in the wall and no ideal placement. Every room is different.

THIS is the biggest downfall of IB systems and why smart audioholics avoid them. Proper subwoofer placement takes a LOT of work and testing and, for the most part, I do not see much if any effort by most people to get it right.
 
ivseenbetter

ivseenbetter

Senior Audioholic
I think the biggest issue that no one here seems to be talking about is that subwoofer placement is critical to good frequency response. It is not all about how loud a subwoofer can get or how low it can go, but how flat the frequency response is over its ENTIRE range!!!

The key to a flat frequency response is how it interacts with a room. And that is why subwoofer placement is critical to proper frequency response. An IB system does NOT allow for this. There is no way to test before cutting holes in the wall and no ideal placement. Every room is different.

THIS is the biggest downfall of IB systems and why smart audioholics avoid them. Proper subwoofer placement takes a LOT of work and testing and, for the most part, I do not see much if any effort by most people to get it right.
Really? I thought I had read that IB does provide for a flat response over the entire range.
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
No placement is key, hence why you see many people with IB systems using different locations. I think when people hear an IB system they are confusing overall power output with an overall flat response. The IB systems I have heard can actually moce your hair and pant legs with bass output, but in one case it actually caused audible distortion with vents in the room shaking so hard that it hinderd the sound.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
No placement is key, hence why you see many people with IB systems using different locations. I think when people hear an IB system they are confusing overall power output with an overall flat response. The IB systems I have heard can actually moce your hair and pant legs with bass output, but in one case it actually caused audible distortion with vents in the room shaking so hard that it hinderd the sound.
It's a bit of a stretch to dismiss any design unilaterally.

Placement isn't complex or difficult to figure out. Plus multiple subs will smooth out room response.

Still I suggest boxed subs. 2 Kappa Perfects are sufficient to fill almost any living room I've seen. Sub 20 hz frequencies aren't that important so don't go chasing them.

Now if you demand more than you should look at the audiopulse lines.

A DCX 2496 should be used to equalize the subs.
 
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