Why are room treatment accessories so Expensive!!!

lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Fiberglass cuts very nice and with clean edges if you use a sharp knife. Cutting mineral wool is not hard - it's just tough to get good edges and keep it from crumbling. There's nothing wrong with it acoustically - it's just a pain to work with if you have to cut it.

Bryan
Well I plan to dampen a speaker/MBM/sub with it. I've heard you can cut rockwool easily with a hand saw and the stuff is less brutal on the lounges and skin than fiber. Now I'm hearing Fiber is easier.:) This is spinning me in circles. :eek:

I guess clean edges are really required inside a speaker though. And I don't see myself ever getting to treat a room. Sad I know, but tis life.
 
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pjoseph

Full Audioholic
haha I just was at Jo Anns fabric buying burlap to cover the mineral wool for my sub.....
nibhaz...your comment about walking around jo anns fabrics reminded me of when i was in high school i was into baggy jeans and i hated tapered ones.
I used test the jeans before i bought them with what i called the head test if the bottom of the pant leg fit over my head then it was wide enough!
I have been caught doing that many times
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I've heard you can cut rockwool easily with a hand saw and the stuff is less brutal on the lungs and skin than fiber.
They both cut nicely with one of those zacto type knives. A good one is about $10 from home depot.
They have those long snap-off blades.



The nice edge is only important insofar as it looks nicer with fabric on it. In a speaker it won't matter which you use except that mineral fiber is cheaper. They are both pretty itchy.

Cutting it with a hand saw is a no-no. Who said to do that?
Gotta watch you every minute. :D
 
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Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
On most jobs I've seen the insulation guys use an old (long & sharp) butcher's knife.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
On most jobs I've seen the insulation guys use an old (long & sharp) butcher's knife.
That insulation dulls blades pretty quickly. I have decent knives and I would never use them for insulation. That toy with the break away blades is the way to go on this and you just change out the entire blade when it's dull.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
A hand-saw would be absolutely terrible and just make a big mess.

I use these to cut [woven] fiberglass (S-glass), carbon-fiber and occassionally aramid/Kevlar:

http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=4660~subid=9730/index.html

They should work for just about anything. The problem with stuff like loosely cut chopped fiberglass is that when you go to cut it they 'pull', so if you use shears/scissors you have to use really good ones.

They are 70 bucks, but, having a good pair of shears in your house really isn't a bad idea. I use them all the time.


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As far as grill clothe or a cover for acoustic panels, check out what Stinger has:
http://www.stingerelectronics.com/products.aspx

It's good quality. Those prices are MSRP though, you end up paying like 25 for a roll.
 
nibhaz

nibhaz

Audioholic Chief
Personally, I’m a Jig-saw fan… goes through 703 like butter.:cool:

But I’m not really sure what the results would be like for Rockwool:rolleyes:
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
I love HT! I'm not an elite hardcore guy with a $5000 pre/pro, but I have decent equipment that is above average. I want to treat my room - but I can't! These things are ridiculously expensive to buy.

I can't believe simple pieces of foam just to place in corners command so much money.
If you want to come down my way, I'll give you a carload of mineral wool.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I love HT! I'm not an elite hardcore guy with a $5000 pre/pro, but I have decent equipment that is above average. I want to treat my room - but I can't! These things are ridiculously expensive to buy.

I can't believe simple pieces of foam just to place in corners command so much money.
Foam isn't the only material that works for this and most cost much less. Even if you use rigid fiberglass, you won't want to leave it bare because it sheds fibers and those not only make a mess but you don't want to inhale them, so these need to be covered by some kind of material. This material can't be extremely flammable and some of these treated fabrics cost well over $20/yard. You can't cover a 2'x8' panel with 1 yard of material because the standard bolts are 46", 54" and 60" wide and if you don't want to waste a lot of material, you need to make things in modular dimensions. If you don't want to lose money, you need to charge for the waste. These panels won't just make themselves, so wages enter the equation and AFAIK, these aren't made in China. Then, since there's ALWAYS someone who will have a problem with anything made by some company, there's a need for product liability insurance. If chemical processes are involved, you can be sure the EPA will want some kind of expensive material handling protocol, which usually involves capturing fumes and dealing with hazardous waste.

My point is- have you looked into the other materials and how much they cost? Can you cut, mount and cover a rigid fiberglass panel? If you can, you can make your own. Did the sellers of the ready-made panels and pieces show results from their product tests? That costs money, too.

If you have only looked at the foam treatments, you really need to look into this a lot deeper- they're available in all different materials and price ranges. .
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Personally, I’m a Jig-saw fan… goes through 703 like butter.:cool:
The problem is that the sawing action and motor put the fibers into the air and blow them around. I bet your neck gets good and itchy after you work with this stuff.

It's also crazy over kill for this. Like using NASA's laser beam to carve out a panel. I understand that people might have trouble taking me seriously but that knife I posted a picture of is the way (for us). What Rick said about the butcher knife is for guys doing it day in day out and they sharpen their knives frequently. I have cut up and installed enough fiberglass and mineral wool to stuff a parking lot full of tractor trailers over the years.

But I’m not really sure what the results would be like for Rockwool:rolleyes:
Not good ... maybe a table saw. :D

... just kidding !!!
 
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bpape

Audioholic Chief
If you want something that works well and doesn't cost a lot, try going to KMart and getting a cheap electric carving knife. Make a little jig so you have a top and bottom edge to keep the knife square to the world and it'll go right through the fiberglass like butter.

Bryan
 
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