Pioneer VSX-1019....pphhhhhhhhh!

[Seth=L]

PATHETIC!

Derp derp derp, it's got a high gloss finish to match your new Samsung or Vizio tv...DERP!

The successor to the 101* line is a step backward indeed.

It, along with the rest of the _**9 line weighs in around 19 pounds plus a few ounces. It drops THX cert of any kind, probably because the amp is wimpified.

To top it all off, for $599 MSRP you don't even get preouts.

Instead you get a bunch of frilly HDMI features I couldn't give two farts about.

The Pioneer VSX-1019 gets a big "POO POO" from me.

 

[speakerman39]

PATHETIC!

Derp derp derp, it's got a high gloss finish to match your new Samsung or Vizio tv...DERP!

The successor to the 101* line is a step backward indeed.

It, along with the rest of the _**9 line weighs in around 19 pounds plus a few ounces. It drops THX cert of any kind, probably because the amp is wimpified.

To top it all off, for $599 MSRP you don't even get preouts.

Instead you get a bunch of frilly HDMI features I couldn't give two farts about.

The Pioneer VSX-1019 gets a big "POO POO" from me.

So Seth I could be wrong, but it appears you really didn't like this receiver-am I correct? Ha!Ha! Just kidding! No really, it sounds like Pioneer is really going cheap and cutting corners. Hope it is not a sign of things to come. Thanks for letting us know.



Cheers,

Phil

 

[Lordoftherings]

Are you serious?

The Pioneer VSX-1018AH-K is listed as weighting 29 pounds.

How the heck the 1019 could drop to only 19 pounds???

WoW! I just check the manual to confirm, you are absolutely right!

Unbelievable, only 90 watts at 1khz, 2 channels driven into 6-ohms!

What a joke!

I think my next receiver is going to be a 1973 vintage Aiwa model!

 

[anamorphic96]

Are you serious?

The Pioneer VSX-1018AH-K is listed as weighting 29 pounds.

How the heck the 1019 could drop to only 19 pounds???

WoW! I just check the manual to confirm, you are absolutely right!

Unbelievable, only 90 watts at 1khz, 2 channels driven into 6-ohms!

What a joke!

I think my next receiver is going to be a 1973 vintage Aiwa model!

You might want to look at the specs a little closer.

The receiver is rated 90 watts per channel 20hz - 20khz into 8 ohms with 2 channels driven.

The 6 ohm 1khz spec you quote is actually 120 watts.

Niether of the specs are great but are similar to the competition.

 

[anamorphic96]

PATHETIC!

Derp derp derp, it's got a high gloss finish to match your new Samsung or Vizio tv...DERP!

The successor to the 101* line is a step backward indeed.

It, along with the rest of the _**9 line weighs in around 19 pounds plus a few ounces. It drops THX cert of any kind, probably because the amp is wimpified.

To top it all off, for $599 MSRP you don't even get preouts

Instead you get a bunch of frilly HDMI features I couldn't give two farts about.

The Pioneer VSX-1019 gets a big "POO POO" from me.

The MSRP is actually 499.

 

[anamorphic96]

These new Pioneers actually look pretty good to me. The amp sections may not be the best. But they are in line with there competition. But when a majority of people will be crossing speakers over at 80hz its not that big of a deal when the sub is doing most of the work.

The key selling features for me are the very user friendly MCACC system with adjustable standing wave mode for the subwoofer. No other system on the market that I know of offers this kind of control.

The adjustable X-Curve mode is a really nice feature as well. Since all studio screening rooms and theaters are actually EQ'd using the X-curve. This can really help with getting a proper tonal balance. Most receivers that are offer this feature are not adjustable and the roll off changes depending on the room size.

 

[croseiv]

The whole lower than Elite line-up seems to have really been cheapened up alot IMO. I had noticed the 1019 doesn't have any pre-outs, and that was a big surprise. IMO the 1015 was the last good receiver made. There has been an obvious decline in quality in the 10xx line up since the 1015. It's a shame. The 1019 is a cheap joke..

 

[Lordoftherings]

You might want to look at the specs a little closer.

The receiver is rated 90 watts per channel 20hz - 20khz into 8 ohms with 2 channels driven.

The 6 ohm 1khz spec you quote is actually 120 watts.

Niether of the specs are great but are similar to the competition.

I see that you did your reading, good. It was only a test, don't try to adjust your TV set.

 

[speakerman39]

The whole lower than Elite line-up seems to have really been cheapened up alot IMO. I had noticed the 1019 doesn't have any pre-outs, and that was a big surprise. IMO the 1015 was the last good receiver made. There has been an obvious decline in quality in the 10xx line up since the 1015. It's a shame. The 1019 is a cheap joke..

I must say that I sure miss my old 1015. It was solid and heavy. Too bad things are on the down turn. Guess, they have to cut some corners somewhere. Unfortunately, it looks to be the amp section.



Cheers,

Phil

 

[Seth=L]

These new Pioneers actually look pretty good to me. The amp sections may not be the best. But they are in line with there competition. But when a majority of people will be crossing speakers over at 80hz its not that big of a deal when the sub is doing most of the work.

The key selling features for me are the very user friendly MCACC system with adjustable standing wave mode for the subwoofer. No other system on the market that I know of offers this kind of control.

The adjustable X-Curve mode is a really nice feature as well. Since all studio screening rooms and theaters are actually EQ'd using the X-curve. This can really help with getting a proper tonal balance. Most receivers that are offer this feature are not adjustable and the roll off changes depending on the room size.

Considering that Yamaha, H/K, and Marantz (just to name a couple) offer preouts at these price levels I am inclined to believe the average "audioholic" is going to lean away from Pioneer's latest offerings.

This is merely a subjective opinion regarding an obvious cut back in manufacturing costs. A lot of this "new technology" we are getting seems to be churning out so fast it just gives these companies reasons to cut costs. Apparently research and development of new audio processing technology is cheaper than building a receiver with a decent amp section.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Ok, the economy is in tough shape, so what?

With the internet, economy is dead, caput, zip...it has no meaning for the smart ones.

With now informed readers and shoppers, we all know that the previous years are better for the amp section, so we'll buy the previous models from other years. Then the manufacturers will get into a deeper hole, till they got their cards together and give consumer what they want.

That's the new reality, might as well face it all.

Life is so simple if you know what road to drive in.

 

[anamorphic96]

Considering that Yamaha, H/K, and Marantz (just to name a couple) offer preouts at these price levels I am inclined to believe the average "audioholic" is going to lean away from Pioneer's latest offerings.

This is merely a subjective opinion regarding an obvious cut back in manufacturing costs. A lot of this "new technology" we are getting seems to be churning out so fast it just gives these companies reasons to cut costs. Apparently research and development of new audio processing technology is cheaper than building a receiver with a decent amp section.

Its still a bargain for its asking price as well as the 919 and 819 being even better bargans. Pre-outs are low on most peoples feature list and the amp section is equal to every other manufactures in this price range.

 

[STRONGBADF1]

PATHETIC!

Derp derp derp, it's got a high gloss finish to match your new Samsung or Vizio tv...DERP!

The successor to the 101* line is a step backward indeed.

It, along with the rest of the _**9 line weighs in around 19 pounds plus a few ounces. It drops THX cert of any kind, probably because the amp is wimpified.

To top it all off, for $599 MSRP you don't even get preouts.

Instead you get a bunch of frilly HDMI features I couldn't give two farts about.

The Pioneer VSX-1019 gets a big "POO POO" from me.

No farts but a big POO POO...understood.

 

[Matt34]

Its still a bargain for its asking price as well as the 919 and 819 being even better bargans. Pre-outs are low on most peoples feature list and the amp section is equal to every other manufactures in this price range.

....just not to the previous years. I think that's the point Seth is making, all the manufactures are giving us less for the same money that what we could have bought a couple years ago.

 

[Seth=L]

Its still a bargain for its asking price as well as the 919 and 819 being even better bargans. Pre-outs are low on most peoples feature list and the amp section is equal to every other manufactures in this price range.

Pre-outs are a significant feature to me. I didn't ask if they where significant to you. Receiver power is often not enough for music listening for me and certainly many other people.

I remember when the Pioneer VSX-816 had preouts and everyone raved about that receiver, I haven't seen anyone rave about any receivers they've put out since then.

I concur that the VSX-819 is a pretty good deal. Literally only $300 for a receiver that supports HD audio codecs locally. The 519 is pretty sweet as well, for only $200 it can handle LPCM over HDMI.

The 1019 is far from the bargain value of those two receivers IMO. Most people won't utilize half of the features on the 819 let alone the 1019.

 

[TjMV3]

Its still a bargain for its asking price as well as the 919 and 819 being even better bargans. Pre-outs are low on most peoples feature list and the amp section is equal to every other manufactures in this price range.

So is Pioneer's goal to simply be equal or comparable to everyone else, what is it that sets them apart and makes their product a better buy?

If everyone else is building garbage, then, the standard is to build the equivalent of garbage?

I have some Pioneer gear and I like some of their stuff. But Pioneer (oh I don't know....hence the definition of their brand name) should be looking to build a product that stands head and shoulders above the crowd. They should be....you know...Pioneering the landscape and setting goals to be better.

Settling for mediocrity seems an awful game plan.

 

[anamorphic96]

Pre-outs are a significant feature to me. I didn't ask if they where significant to you. Receiver power is often not enough for music listening for me and certainly many other people.

I remember when the Pioneer VSX-816 had preouts and everyone raved about that receiver, I haven't seen anyone rave about any receivers they've put out since then.

I concur that the VSX-819 is a pretty good deal. Literally only $300 for a receiver that supports HD audio codecs locally. The 519 is pretty sweet as well, for only $200 it can handle LPCM over HDMI.

The 1019 is far from the bargain value of those two receivers IMO. Most people won't utilize half of the features on the 819 let alone the 1019.

I appreciate where your coming from and agree with you to some degree. But I was just kinda put off by the way you started the thread. Especially when the wrong MSRP was listed. Your posts are usually of a higher caliber.

But as I stated before I dont think the pre-outs are going to be an issue with most people. The big thing I love about the Pioneers are the functionality a person gets with the MCACC system. Especially the standing wave function and the fact that you can adjust the Q of the frequecies selected. This is very useful when setting up subwoofers. Plus the X-Curve function with adjustable roll off is very useful. Especially in larger rooms.

As we all know room acoustics arethe biggest problem when trying to achieve good sound quality with proper tonal balance.

The other thing to keep in mind is the Elite VSX-01 can usually be found online for around 600.

But to each his own when it comes what one feels is important in receivers. I still feel the Pioneers offer nice value for the money.

 

[Bluesmoke]

The 2009 lineup so far are all pieces of ****! The Yamaha models are downright garbage and now Pioneer!!!!

Good luck with your sales, morons!

My 6160 is great, aside from the horrendous remote and useless surround modes!! But this is the last Yamaha I'll ever buy. I'll stick with Denon or Marantz from now on.

 

[Lordoftherings]

The other thing to keep in mind is the Elite VSX-01 can usually be found online for around 600.

And for only a $100 more you can get the SC-05.

The VSX-01TXH is at 20% off from it's original list price.
And the SC-05 is just over 61% off from it's original list price.

LOTR

 

[Lordoftherings]

I'll stick with Denon or Marantz from now on.

What! No Onkyo in your list!

And no Yamaha (RX-V1900, RX-V3900, RX-Z7, RX-Z11 and a few more)!

And no Pioneer Elite (SC-05, SC-07, SC-09 and a few more)!


What the hell this world had come into?

LOTR

P.S.