Stimulating the national economy...

unreal.freak

unreal.freak

Senior Audioholic
I dont care if they legalize the pot or if they dont, but i would rather they fix the budget by cutting back on needless programs and wasted money. Rather than taxing pot. We are taxed enough. Doesnt matter what its on. I wish they would cut spending rather than find more ways to get money to spend. My 2 cents.

Peace,
Tommy
 
res6jya6

res6jya6

Senior Audioholic
From WikiAnswers.com -

Marijuana has been cultivated for thousands of years. Cannabis was first described for its therapeutic use in the first known Chinese pharmacopoeia, the Pen Ts'ao. (A pharmacopoeia is a book containing a list of medicinal drugs, and their descriptions of preparation and use.) Cannabis was called a "superior" herb by the Emperor Shen-Nung (2737–2697 B.C.), who is believed to have authored the work. Cannabis was recommended as a treatment for numerous common ailments. Around that same period in Egypt, cannabis was used as a treatment for sore eyes. The herb was used in India in cultural and religious ceremonies, and recorded in Sanskrit scriptural texts around 1,400 B.C. Cannabis was considered a holy herb and was characterized as the "soother of grief," "the sky flyer," and "the poor man's heaven." Centuries later, around 700 B.C., the Assyrian people used the herb they called Qunnabu, for incense. The ancient Greeks used cannabis as a remedy to treat inflammation, earache, and edema (swelling of a body part due to collection of fluids). Shortly after 500 B.C. the historian and geographer Herodotus recorded that the peoples known as Scythians used cannabis to produce fine linens. They called the herb kannabis and inhaled the "intoxicating vapor" that resulted when it was burned. By the year 100 B.C. the Chinese were using cannabis to make paper.

Cannabis use and cultivation migrated with the movement of various traders and travelers, and knowledge of the herb's value spread throughout the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Africa. Around 100, Dioscorides, a surgeon in the Roman Legions under the Emperor Nero, named the herb Cannabis sativa and recorded numerous medicinal uses. In the second century, the Chinese physician Hoa-Tho used cannabis in surgical procedures, relying on its analgesic properties. In ancient India, around 600, Sanskrit writers recorded a recipe for "pills of gaiety," a combination of hemp and sugar. By 1150, Moslems were using cannabis fiber in Europe's first paper production. This use of cannabis as a durable and renewable source of paper fiber continued for the next 750 years.

By the 1300s, government and religious authorities, concerned about the psychoactive effects on citizens consuming the herb, were placing harsh restrictions on its use. The Emir Soudon Sheikhouni of Joneima outlawed cannabis use among the poor. He destroyed the crops and ordered that offenders' teeth be pulled out. In 1484, Pope Innocent VIII outlawed the use of hashish, a concentrated form of cannabis. Cannabis cultivation continued, however, because of its economic value. A little more than a century later, the English Queen Elizabeth I issued a decree commanding that landowners holding 60 acres or more must grow hemp or pay a fine. Commerce in hemp, which was primarily valued for the strength and versatility of its fibers, was profitable and thriving. Hemp ropes and sails were crossing the sea to North America with the explorers. By 1621, the British were growing cannabis in Virginia where cultivation of hemp was mandatory. In 1776, the Declaration of Independence was drafted on hemp paper. Both President George Washington and President Thomas Jefferson were advocates of hemp as a valuable cash crop. Jefferson urged farmers to grow the crop in lieu of tobacco. By the 1850s, hemp had become the third largest agricultural crop grown in North America. The U. S. Census of that year recorded 8,327 hemp plantations, each with 2,000 or more acres in cultivation. But the invention of the cotton gin was already bringing many changes, and cotton was becoming a prime and profitable textile fiber. More change came with the introduction of the sulfite and chlorine processes used to turn trees into paper. Restrictions on the personal use of cannabis as a mood-altering, psychoactive herb, were soon to come.

(Just an interesting article I read...)

Government spending would be cut back severely if marijuana was a legal drug. There would be no need to spend billions each year on busting people/businesses that sell pot. Money would also be saved (up to billions) by removing those with marijuana-related charges from our prisons systems, that of which we pay to house inmates in. This would also free up space and time to deal with real criminals like murderers, rapists, etc.
 
F

fast1

Audioholic
interesting... is this where the new millionaires are going to spring out from? from the pot market?
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Government spending would be cut back severely if marijuana was a legal drug. There would be no need to spend billions each year on busting people/businesses that sell pot. Money would also be saved (up to billions) by removing those with marijuana-related charges from our prisons systems, that of which we pay to house inmates in. This would also free up space and time to deal with real criminals like murderers, rapists, etc.
Good post, res6.
You've answered your own question.
Too many people are employed on the so called 'War On Drugs.'
The government doesn't want to save money, it never has and never will.:mad:
It just wants to grow bigger, while we grow more dependant, and entitled.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Government spending would be cut back severely if marijuana was a legal drug. There would be no need to spend billions each year on busting people/businesses that sell pot. Money would also be saved (up to billions) by removing those with marijuana-related charges from our prisons systems, that of which we pay to house inmates in. This would also free up space and time to deal with real criminals like murderers, rapists, etc.
When has a government decreased spending just from having less expenses? They always find something else to spend it on and it's not always something important.

The law is the law, until it's repealed. As long as it's the law, it should be obeyed. If it's so far out of line that the vast majority want it eliminated, it can be, but I don't see that as likely with pot and some of the "minor" drugs. FWIW, I have never met anyone who was at their best when under the influence of any drug, legal or not. Physical, psychological and emotional side effects result from pot use and I'll never think or believe that it's not the case.
 
Shock

Shock

Audioholic General
Well first you have to wine it and dine it. Take it out to a fancy restaurant, and get the economy some flowers. After this you take the economy back to your place and sit beside it on the counch while slowly carassing the economies knee. Then you have to lean in and whisper sweet nothings into the economy's ear.


Only after this do you have a chance at "stimulating" the economy.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
I want marijuana to get decriminalized, and legalized as long as I can grow it (herbs easy to grow in your backyard, doesn't take much work, I've accidentally grown potplants just from smoking and dropping a seed), but I must just be completely missing something because while I'm happy the majority want it legal, I can't see why the others want to keep it illegal.

It's so easy to get as it is, I don't even see why they still bother. It's a joke. Most cops barely even care anymore unless you blow it in their face, people have realized the potheads aren't causing trouble, and the scientists keep showing its benefits.

But the realest thing is this. To sit back with friends, smoke/vape/eat some herb, throw on some music, and sit there and talk...laugh...love... just for one night...that's special. That's what a lot of people need. Pot makes people happy. It makes you think. It gives perspective. It makes your system sound fantastic. It's a social drug, a friendly drug.

Even for people that don't agree with its use, its here. The government can't stop it. I can get my herb easier than I can buy liquor, and it costs me a lot less, and I'm not hungover the next day (because its not poison). The money that has been spent on this DISASTER of a prohibition, could have been used to save lives, protect our country, help people find homes, keep people out of jails that breed criminal behavior. The money that has been spent on lies in schools, did more harm than good. Kids say, "well, that joint wasn't so bad...I wonder what else they lied to be about in drug education".

But we can go on, and maybe we can look at the hypocrisy of alcohol (which has a toxicity per effective dose greater than cocaine, and a similar addiction likelihood). No I'm not saying alcohol should be illegal, but, it shows that toxicity has nothing to do with it.

On one hand I'm happy most people don't look at me as a criminal anymore for smoking pot, but on the other hand I'm sad it's been overlooked for so long.

Thanks for bringing this up. I truely appreciate it, and I hope others will help these sorts of discussions become more acceptable. I've seen huge progress in the last even few years, it's really great to see, please help us keep it up. I PROMISE you the potheads won't bother you like the drunks...;)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I can get my herb easier than I can buy liquor...
You and I live much different lives. :D Then again, I've never tried to buy herb. Never wanted to. It's just what you get used to, I suppose.

I PROMISE you the potheads won't bother you like the drunks...;)
I don't think that I've been bothered by someone who's high, but I will say that I've been bothered by the smell wafting down the street. Someone drinks a beer in the backyard, and I'll probably never know it happened. Someone lights up (weed, tobacco, whatever), and it annoys me because I don't like the smell and it travels from them to me. Not a judgement and not an argument - just a statement that smoking has negative ramifications on some other people.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
You and I live much different lives. :D Then again, I've never tried to buy herb. Never wanted to. It's just what you get used to, I suppose.
I actually want to touch on this, because I think one of the things that makes people a bit sketchy about pot is "drug dealers." You don't buy pot from a "drug dealer" Drug dealers might have pot, potdealers don't have **** like coke or heroin. A guy who sells pot just sells pot, maybe shrooms or acid sometimes. Or isn't even "in business," they just might grow or sell enough to pay for their own, or if they sell a lot it pays for not having a job. A lot of people get pot second or third hand. A bunch of friends pitch in and buy a bunch, then it gets sold at cost or a bit over for the trouble to people they are cool with. Because pots so cheap, even good pot, once your out of highschool people who smoke buy it and just smoke out people when they come over... it all evens out, you go to their place and smoke their stuff, they come to yours and smoke yours, etc. It's worth the bit of cash to smoke a stranger out, because you feel good about making someone else feel good. That's generally how stoners look at it.



I don't think that I've been bothered by someone who's high, but I will say that I've been bothered by the smell wafting down the street. Someone drinks a beer in the backyard, and I'll probably never know it happened. Someone lights up (weed, tobacco, whatever), and it annoys me because I don't like the smell and it travels from them to me. Not a judgement and not an argument - just a statement that smoking has negative ramifications on some other people.
The problem isn't the beer, and I'm not against beer, its when they go crazy and beat their wife, get in fights, pee on random stuff, break stuff, leave cans around, scream and wake you up, etc.

That's a courtesy thing. I think that would be something that would be delt with. But, would you feel more comfortible asking someone smoking weed if they'd go away or someone drunk on beer?

I'm not saying every stoner is a gem, or that every drunk is going crazy, but, I'd probably lean towards the former if I had to bet.

It can also be cooked, vaporized, and drank in tea. All healthier ways than smoking, and in some cases more efficient. Although, strangely, they have not yet been able to correlate smoking pot with lung cancer.

Finally, pot smoke isn't like cigarette smoke where it will stink for a long time. Weedsmoke doesn't have a lot of staying power in terms of smell. Stuff that is smoked next to, the smell goes away pretty quickly. It does radiate air really bad though, so, people would have to be consious about that. But its not worse than cigarette smoke, or cigar smoke.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
interesting... is this where the new millionaires are going to spring out from? from the pot market?
Just saw (on the national news, no less) that the proprietor of an Oakland medical marijuana distribution operation paid $900,000 in taxes...makes you wonder exactly what he's clearing.

The evil Devil Weed is among the top three cash crops of the US right now, so there is a tremendous amount of money involved.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
Although, strangely, they have not yet been able to correlate smoking pot with lung cancer.
Well, our laws preclude proper research, which is a problem.

And pot smoke is not healthy to the lungs, period. The inhalation of vapors from the combustion of anything is damaging, wheather it causes cancer, bronchitis, emphysema or other pulmonary disorder. Even the temps from a vapo can irritate the mucosa of the airways.

Better to eat it. As a bonus the added dietary fiber will lower your cholesterol and keep you regular!
 
J

jamie2112

Banned
It won't be legal until the gov sees that the tax on it would be more than the tobacco alcohol and drug companies give congress. IMO that is the only reason that its still not legal,drug companies and alcohol companies as well as tobacco companies give lawmakers millions every year to keep weed illegal so they don't lose money on useless drugs that help no one..It is a MAJOR issue in CA right now. The state is seriously contemplating legalizing it and taxing it like alcohol. It would generate 2.3 billion in tax relief for the state. In 1 years time CA could be well on its way to being out of the red. I am 200% for decriminalzation of it as it has not caused ANY deaths and is way less of a nusance then alcohol....
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
You and I live much different lives. :D Then again, I've never tried to buy herb. Never wanted to. It's just what you get used to, I suppose.


I don't think that I've been bothered by someone who's high, but I will say that I've been bothered by the smell wafting down the street. Someone drinks a beer in the backyard, and I'll probably never know it happened. Someone lights up (weed, tobacco, whatever), and it annoys me because I don't like the smell and it travels from them to me. Not a judgement and not an argument - just a statement that smoking has negative ramifications on some other people.
I have never been able to get alchohol delivered at competitive prices to my home ;). Seriously though the underground economy works in the same principles in supply and demand as "the economy". The media has potrayed buying green going down a dark street in the ghetto . Yes that is true to an extent but it is also treated in other areas as very professional and customer service oriented. Like ordering a subwoofer from SVS or better and getting it delivered to your home in a few hours or less :rolleyes:.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I didn't realize Adam was such a party pooper. :D
First, my comments might have been taken the wrong way. Second, I am a huge party pooper. :)

I wasn't judging anyone. Sensi and I do indeed live much different lives. Case in point...he has one. :D I don't know a single source of illegal substances. The significance of that? Hardly any. I can, however, find any number of owner's manual. (Not sure if that deserved a :D, a :eek:, or a :(). I used to know people that were into weed back in college. Wasn't my thing. I still hung out with them. Heck, I'm not into salmon sweaters and flip flops, but I'll still chat with Alex and Rick. :p
 
res6jya6

res6jya6

Senior Audioholic
Wow... I'm away for two days and this is what I miss? :p

While I am posting these articles out of pure interest in the economic value, I also support the legalization of marijuana to a personal degree. It's nice to see support and interesting conversation going back and forth :)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Okay, I'd like to be schooled. I could search the internet, but it seems like we've got some knowledgeable people here on the topic.

What's the difference between putting marijuana in food and buying food with hemp in it? I imagine it's different parts of the plant, but I'm just curious. I can buy hemp on Amazon, but I haven't seen "special brownies" on any of the daily deals. :)
 
newsletter

  • RBHsound.com
  • BlueJeansCable.com
  • SVS Sound Subwoofers
  • Experience the Martin Logan Montis
Top