Do not buy from an Audioholics member

[randyb]

that knows a lot but does not perform. What can I say other than a moderator here knows about my complaints. If we can write about MLS, then we can write about that Ch guy. I have pretty much had it. Let's see where this thread goes. Wm own up?

 

[Adam]

Can you share some more information about why you're upset?

 

[randyb]

Can you share some more information about why you're upset?

Sure, a big investment in the mid 4 figures (paid in advance)to build superior speakers (augmented by Yamaha pro amps to be confiured for this-whcih I paid for but is in his posession) with a contract to complete by the end of November (which he insisted on not me) and lots of sorry's. By the way, the moderator who has also contracted with him did not answer my response about this so I held off, but I think it is now time to bring to a head. Gene, where are you-I was a big supporter of you when you started this great web site?

 

[Matt34]

Is Chris not working on them now.....when was the last communication you have had with him? He asked me if he could start working on yours three-four weeks ago because mine were taking so long which I agreed too. I know he's way past the due dates given out but we're not talking about off the shelf products here either. I feel bad about this and I hope he can get this resolved for you in a timely manner.

 

[randyb]

Is Chris not working on them now.....when was the last communication you have had with him? He asked me if he could start working on yours three-four weeks ago because mine were taking so long which I agreed too. I know he's way past the due dates given out but we're not talking about off the shelf products here either. I feel bad about this and I hope he can get this resolved for you in a timely manner.

He was going to give me weekly updates but that also fell by the wayside. He needs to be held accountable. We are talking about contracts, promises, etc. It has nothing to do with off the shelf, it has to do with promises, and keeping a client in the loop. I gave him every opportunity (I am old and have given lots of latitude, but at some point you have to say "well they aren't really going to perform". I am at that point. I do not think he will pefrorm and believe I have lost my investment!-before posting a retort, think about losing a few thosand dollars)

 

[WmAx]

Randyb is of correct about the length of time delay. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. But his speakers are in the process of being constructed at this very moment.

I do not have any sort of dedicated work shop (I have to do all largish cuts, finish work, etc. - outside - and I only have space to set up a single project to construct in the small prep area I have), and as the winter started to turn(with rain on most days combined with cold weather, I got stuck trying to finish another project that is due before Randy's, which belongs to Matt34. While Matt's is now nearly complete, I put it on the side to now work on Randy's speakers because of his extreme aggravation(which I completely understand, btw).

So, yes, I am taking a long time. I would be upset if I was Randy as well... but there is nothing I can do about it except for work on the speakers and deliver them when complete.

As far as updates, I did promise to give weekly updates, and I did not update him this week (last time was 2 weeks ago), but on some weeks nothing gets accomplished if it rains all weekend(I can only work on these large projects on weekends) or some other circumstance occurred that I did not get to work on them. As this last weekend, I did not get a chance to anything, I did not update because there was nothing to update. But if it is to the preference of the client, I will now update weekly in ANY case, just to keep him in the current loop, as Randy is more upset than I though he was.

As for Randyb losing an investment, well, so long as I am capable (not physically disabled or deceased), he will get exactly what he ordered.

Should I have not accepted multiple large projects at once? That is true. I over-estimated what circumstances would allow me to accomplish within a given time frame. If I ever accept any other large projects in the future, I will likely farm out most of the construction stage to a 3rd party unless I happen to have a proper building area of my own(which does not seem likely any time soon).

-Chris

 

[Davemcc]

I do not think he will pefrorm and believe I have lost my investment!)

Randy, now that you've made this public, another day or two to get more info on the matter into the public eye shouldn't make a difference in how this turns out. Maybe you could hold off saying some things, as quoted above, that you may turn out to regret later. You can always say that stuff later if you feel, but as my introduction to the issue I feel it's kind of harsh right off the top even if you genuinely feel that way. You raised the issue, now let things develop naturally in the open forum. If you still feel that way once everything is out, by all means, let loose the dogs.

It's apparent that you've been around here longer than...everybody. I'm only commenting because you brought it to open forum presumably so that guys like me could hear you. And that invites comment. If you can still edit your words, it may be a good idea for now and delay comments like that for the time being. Let the matter play out in public and I truly hope that there will be some satisfaction for you in the resolution.

 

[Davemcc]

Randyb is of correct about the length of time delay. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. But his speakers are in the process of being constructed at this very moment.

I do not have any sort of dedicated work shop (I have to do all largish cuts, finish work, etc. - outside - and I only have space to set up a single project to construct in the small prep area I have), and as the winter started to turn(with rain on most days combined with cold weather, I got stuck trying to finish another project that is due before Randy's, which belongs to Matt34. While Matt's is now nearly complete, I put it on the side to now work on Randy's speakers because of his extreme aggravation(which I completely understand, btw).

So, yes, I am taking a long time. I would be upset if I was Randy as well... but there is nothing I can do about it except for work on the speakers and deliver them when complete.

As for Randyb losing an investment, well, so long as I am capable (not physically disabled or deceased), he will get exactly what he ordered.

-Chris

That's pretty straight up to me. It doesn't get much simpler.

 

[randyb]

Randy, now that you've made this public, another day or two to get more info on the matter into the public eye shouldn't make a difference in how this turns out. Maybe you could hold off saying some things, as quoted above, that you may turn out to regret later. You can always say that stuff later if you feel, but as my introduction to the issue I feel it's kind of harsh right off the top even if you genuinely feel that way. You raised the issue, now let things develop naturally in the open forum. If you still feel that way once everything is out, by all means, let loose the dogs.

It's apparent that you've been around here longer than...everybody. I'm only commenting because you brought it to open forum presumably so that guys like me could hear you. And that invites comment. If you can still edit your words, it may be a good idea for now and delay comments like that for the time being. Let the matter play out in public and I truly hope that there will be some satisfaction for you in the resolution.

Sure, I will see how this plays out. I wrote Gene when he started and thought he was on to a great site. That being said, this will be my last post. I did not want to do this, but at some point a warning to others is the ethical thing to do.

 

[WmAx]

BTW, Randy, I invite you to make any comments you so desire. Don't stop posting. I will gladly discuss in the open if you prefer, or I'll answer others questions in this thread as well that pertain to the issue. However, I summed everything I could think of immediately in the last post.

-Chris

 

[Davemcc]

Sure, I will see how this plays out. I wrote Gene when he started and thought he was on to a great site. That being said, this will be my last post. I did not want to do this, but at some point a warning to others is the ethical thing to do.

I certainly hope it's not going to be your last post forever. I'm sure you have a great deal to contribute, certainly more than guys like me. Let's move past this and continue to enjoy the hobby with all our other friends here that share our common interests.

 

[randyb]

I certainly hope it's not going to be your last post forever. I'm sure you have a great deal to contribute, certainly more than guys like me. Let's move past this and continue to enjoy the hobby with all our other friends here that share our common interests.

Well, sure thanks. I do have lots of speakers in my possession including Usher, Salk, Gedlee and many more. I would dearly love to compare these against Chris's speakers. I have been happy to meet Floyd Toole at CEDIA and spent time at Tom Nousaines house as well Earl Geddes. I consider Jim Salk a friend. They are all very interesting and great people.

 

[mike c]

hi Randy, do you have a thread in the member's gallery?

please share with us your system and your journey

2002 ... that's prehistoric!
and .03 posts per day ... that's the anti-Adam of posting

 

[Davemcc]

Well, sure thanks. I do have lots of speakers in my possession including Usher, Salk, Gedlee and many more. I would dearly love to compare these against Chris's speakers. I have been happy to meet Floyd Toole at CEDIA and spent time at Tom Nousaines house as well Earl Geddes. I consider Jim Salk a friend. They are all very interesting and great people.

AND YOU WANT TO DEPRIVE US OF ALL THAT!!

You can tell you friend Mr. Salk that I'm having a virtual lust affair with several of his speakers. Some day, I may even get to hear a pair.

I think we should be hearing more from you...not less.

 

[randyb]

hi Randy, do you have a thread in the member's gallery?

please share with us your system and your journey

2002 ... that's prehistoric!
and .03 posts per day ... that's the anti-adam of posting

Oh wow, that will take some time. I will post tomorrow my journey! Thx for being interested. I will tell you that my first "real stereo system" contrary to my parents "console" was an AR turntable, Dynaco Amp, and AR speakers. I thought it was awesome (as it I recall). It was "about 65-66"

 

[tcarcio]

You know I don't post here as often as alot of you but I do understand the frustration of things not working out the way planned but it seems to me that WmAx is a stand up guy for admitting he is in the wrong and for that he deserves a chance to make it right. He could have just ignored the fact and hurried to get you the speakers done but he isn't doing that. I understand your aggravation especially when a good amount of money is involved but life is way too short to let something like this take up to much space in your head. That being said I really would like to hear your review of the speakers when finished. Just my 2 cents.......

 

[sawzalot]

I dont think Wm. is admitting that he's wrong.Wrong about what?Maybe a bit overwhelmed at the moment with the amount of work to be done,the short windows of opportunity to get work done and lack of workspace.I am sure his intentions are all good I hope that its not too late to say be a little more patient and this will all come to a happy ending,and randyb will have some more speakers to critique and post all his findings here for the rest of us to take in,best wishes to all..

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Hope my sub plans come on time.....

 

[lsiberian]

Anything Chris builds is worth the wait.

I would wait years for something I contracted to him. I suppose my endless questions should cease. He's helped me free of charge with my designs.

Please come join us Randy.

If you need some help Chris I would be happy to do what I can. I've helped a few folks around her design subs and speakers. Thanks to his education I'm getting better at this.

Oh yeah and thanks for the pictures on bracing.

 

[billy p]

Randyb is of correct about the length of time delay. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. But his speakers are in the process of being constructed at this very moment.

I do not have any sort of dedicated work shop (I have to do all largish cuts, finish work, etc. - outside - and I only have space to set up a single project to construct in the small prep area I have), and as the winter started to turn(with rain on most days combined with cold weather, I got stuck trying to finish another project that is due before Randy's, which belongs to Matt34. While Matt's is now nearly complete, I put it on the side to now work on Randy's speakers because of his extreme aggravation(which I completely understand, btw).

So, yes, I am taking a long time. I would be upset if I was Randy as well... but there is nothing I can do about it except for work on the speakers and deliver them when complete.

As far as updates, I did promise to give weekly updates, and I did not update him this week (last time was 2 weeks ago), but on some weeks nothing gets accomplished if it rains all weekend(I can only work on these large projects on weekends) or some other circumstance occurred that I did not get to work on them. As this last weekend, I did not get a chance to anything, I did not update because there was nothing to update. But if it is to the preference of the client, I will now update weekly in ANY case, just to keep him in the current loop, as Randy is more upset than I though he was.

As for Randyb losing an investment, well, so long as I am capable (not physically disabled or deceased), he will get exactly what he ordered.

Should I have not accepted multiple large projects at once? That is true. I over-estimated what circumstances would allow me to accomplish within a given time frame. If I ever accept any other large projects in the future, I will likely farm out most of the construction stage to a 3rd party unless I happen to have a proper building area of my own(which does not seem likely any time soon).

-Chris

Chris, I believe your a victim of your own scrutiny. I've never undertaken jobs for other people, but I know first hand what it would involve. I'm a nut when it comes details in projects I've undertaken around the house and I have fallen prey to missed timelines(just ask the wife).

I hope everything works out for you and Randy!