Two sub connection Problem

Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
We need the manual so that we can know the specifics of YOUR particular reciever. It helps us to know what may or may not be going wrong with YOUR setup. Few, if any people here, have that particular unit but are willing to download YOUR manual to give YOU proper advice on how to correct YOUR faulty system. I'm downloading YOUR manual RIGHT NOW so that I can help YOU.
 
tbergman

tbergman

Full Audioholic
aCTUALLY I DONT NEED THE MANUAL, MY QUESTIN IS WHY I AM GEETING POOR OUTPUT WHEN I CONNECT 2 SUBS, WHENEVER I CONNECT 2 SUBS THEN THE QUALITY BECARE VERY POOR, DO U UNDERSTAND MY PROBLEM, AS I TOLD U EARLIER THAT LOT OF AIR IS COMMING FROM THE SUB'S HOLE BUT NOT GETTING THAT MUCH BASS THAN I SOULD GET FROM 2 SUBS, U KNOW THAT KLIPSCH D10 SUBS ARE VERY GOOD.
I think everyone gets your issue, but I for one am not firmilar with your receiver so it's easier to read a little in the manual to make sure I know I'm not missing something different with your specific equipment. One thing you could try is using a splitter to run both subs from one sub output, that would show if it's a problem with the receiver or something else. Other than that I don't know of anything else.

EDIT: Adam wins again...
 
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shaha196

Enthusiast
Yes, we understand. What you might not quite understand is that you gave us the wrong model number, so you're question didn't make sense. Now, we can see that the model that you own does indeed have four subwoofer outputs.

A question for you - do you have the original two subwoofers for that system? If so, do those sound okay when they are both hooked up?

Somethings that you can try to see if it's the receiver or the subs (perhaps their orientation and the interaction between the two) is to do the following:
  1. Hook up just one sub, but connect it to different sub outputs on the receiver. If the sub sounds good no matter which output you use, then you know that all of the sub outputs are working properly on the receiver.
  2. Get a y-splitter cable (like the one linked here), and then you can connect both subs to one of the subwoofer outputs. If your system sounds good with that connection, then perhaps the receiver has a problem outputting two signals at one time. Either way, your system sounds good.


Thanks a lot, my old sony subs are very bad thats why i bought klipsch d10 subs, i have tried connecting 2 subs by using y spliter but getting the same problem, i also connect different subs ports but getting the same outputs means, when i connect one its working fine but when i connect 2 getting poor bass, anyway i think i have to connect 1 subs. may be its for the klipsch D10 subs problen coz its huge and one sub is enough for that. you can check the ubs here http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/synergy-sub-10.aspx
 
tbergman

tbergman

Full Audioholic
I may be way off bass(ha, get it, off base-off bass) here, but the size or power of the subs shouldn't matter at all because they are self powered, it should still just be the same signal going out.
 
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shaha196

Enthusiast
I may be way off bass(ha, get it, off base-off bass) here, but the size or power of the subs shouldn't matter at all because they are self powered, it should still just be the same signal going out.


Bytheway i need another receiver for my launge could you please let me know that Onkyo TX-SR506 will be good??? and let me know, whether it has the option to change the subwoofer frequency change.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
The Onkyo 506 is a nice receiver, but we'd need more info to know if it's a good match for your needs. You'll want to make sure that it can handle the nominal impedance of your speakers and that it has the features that you want.

The 506 does allow you to choose between a selection of crossover frequencies for the subwoofer. You can download the owner's manual and look at the details at the link here. The crossover frequency options are shown on page 68.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Let's run through a couple of the basics. The input to the subs should go into the top connection marked Left/LFE. I suggest that you only run one line per sub at the present. If you are trying to run two RCA's to each sub, you may be taxing the output of the receiver's sub output trying to drive all four outputs. The Lowpass should be set to it's highest setting. The Sony manual makes no mention of the crossover point. Other Sonys seem to have a fixed crossover at 150Hz so you will need all of your subs upper extension. Make sure the Sony's Dynamic Range Compression is off.

Also, flip one of the sub's phase switches to 0 and the other to 180. This may cancel room modes that can cause bass to disappear. Another option to eliminate room modes as the cause is to place both subs right next to each other and run them in phase. In fact, varying the location of the subs is one of the best ways to create the best bass output.

We can rule out the output voltage. Sony claims 2v at the sub out which is good.
 
tbergman

tbergman

Full Audioholic
Bytheway i need another receiver for my launge could you please let me know that Onkyo TX-SR506 will be good??? and let me know, whether it has the option to change the subwoofer frequency change.
So far I don't have any complaints about mine. As far as options go it's fairly basic and my speakers aren't terribly hard to drive so I don't know how it would do with your speakers or your room set-up. Yes, you can control the crossover frequency from the receiver. It also has Audessy auto calibration if you're into that thing. I ran it but then tweaked it to my own liking because I didn't like all the settings. Any more questions about the receiver just let me know, you can get it at shop onkyo for $200 right now, it's refurbished but so is mine and that doesn't bother me.

EDIT: Like Adam said, it's more dependent on your speakers and what features you're looking for.
 
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AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
dont u agree that klipsch D10 subs are very good???????? lolz i think its very goooooood
No, they're not. Even less so with this sub. But everbody's perceptions/expectations are different. Unfortunately, being down-under you're limited to better sub options.
 
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shaha196

Enthusiast
Let's run through a couple of the basics. The input to the subs should go into the top connection marked Left/LFE. I suggest that you only run one line per sub at the present. If you are trying to run two RCA's to each sub, you may be taxing the output of the receiver's sub output trying to drive all four outputs. The Lowpass should be set to it's highest setting. The Sony manual makes no mention of the crossover point. Other Sonys seem to have a fixed crossover at 150Hz so you will need all of your subs upper extension. Make sure the Sony's Dynamic Range Compression is off.

Also, flip one of the sub's phase switches to 0 and the other to 180. This may cancel room modes that can cause bass to disappear. Another option to eliminate room modes as the cause is to place both subs right next to each other and run them in phase. In fact, varying the location of the subs is one of the best ways to create the best bass output.

We can rule out the output voltage. Sony claims 2v at the sub out which is good.

Hi, I have tried several times yesterday but found the same issue i.e. connecting one subs is working fine but when i connect 2 subs at the same time the sound become worse, do u know any device so that i can install that device to run both subs
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
If you can't find a way to make two subs work, I have an alternate approach.

You've said a few times that one sub sounds good. Perhaps just stick with that and return/sell the second one. Seriously.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Hi, I have tried several times yesterday but found the same issue i.e. connecting one subs is working fine but when i connect 2 subs at the same time the sound become worse, do u know any device so that i can install that device to run both subs
There is a way. Use the high-level speaker input/outputs on the subs. Basically, run speaker wire from the receiver's left and right speaker outputs to each sub. Then run speaker wire from the high level output from each sub to it's corresponding speaker, i.e. left or right. In the receiver's setup menu, turn the subwoofer off. Leave the subs crossovers at their highest setting.

Before you do that though, one thing that concerns me is your description that the subs are moving and a lot of air is coming out of the ports. It's possible that all that movement and air is simply the result of distortion rather than controlled audio. Try running both subs at 1/4 volume or less and/or vary the volume of each sub, i.e. run one at 1/8 power and one at 3/8 power. Also, make sure that the sub output level in the receiver is at zero or below to limit distortion at the output. A level of -6 on the subwoofer output may cut distortion from the receiver. Just turn up the volume on the subs to compensate.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
There is a way. Use the high-level speaker input/outputs on the subs. Basically, run speaker wire from the receiver's left and right speaker outputs to each sub. Then run speaker wire from the high level output from each sub to it's corresponding speaker, i.e. left or right. In the receiver's setup menu, turn the subwoofer off. Leave the subs crossovers at their highest setting.

Before you do that though, one thing that concerns me is your description that the subs are moving and a lot of air is coming out of the ports. It's possible that all that movement and air is simply the result of distortion rather than controlled audio. Try running both subs at 1/4 volume or less and/or vary the volume of each sub, i.e. run one at 1/8 power and one at 3/8 power. Also, make sure that the sub output level in the receiver is at zero or below to limit distortion at the output. A level of -6 on the subwoofer output may cut distortion from the receiver. Just turn up the volume on the subs to compensate.
I think the OP's problem is most likely caused by an impedance miss match.

His four outputs from his receiver, I bet are all connected in parallel, and not buffered. They should be buffered, but seldom are on domestic equipment.

If his Sony has an unusually high output impedance, and his subs have unusually low input impedance, than that would explain the OP's problem.

The input impedance is not specified. However when using two subs the input impedance is halved. It is quite likely than when using two subs, he only has a miserable clipped signal, at the subs.

I bet if he buffered the two sub inputs his problem would be resolved.

His options would be to build a couple of buffer amps, or use a cheap mixer as a buffer.

Purist approaches require that buffer amps always be used, rather than a Y connection. I know we usually get away with it, and I do it on occasions. However if it is a permanent hookup, I buffer.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I think the OP's problem is most likely caused by an impedance miss match.

His four outputs from his receiver, I bet are all connected in parallel, and not buffered. They should be buffered, but seldom are on domestic equipment.

If his Sony has an unusually high output impedance, and his subs have unusually low input impedance, than that would explain the OP's problem.

The input impedance is not specified. However when using two subs the input impedance is halved. It is quite likely than when using two subs, he only has a miserable clipped signal, at the subs.

I bet if he buffered the two sub inputs his problem would be resolved.

His options would be to build a couple of buffer amps, or use a cheap mixer as a buffer.

Purist approaches require that buffer amps always be used, rather than a Y connection. I know we usually get away with it, and I do it on occasions. However if it is a permanent hookup, I buffer.

This sounds like the issue.
 
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shaha196

Enthusiast
I think the OP's problem is most likely caused by an impedance miss match.

His four outputs from his receiver, I bet are all connected in parallel, and not buffered. They should be buffered, but seldom are on domestic equipment.

If his Sony has an unusually high output impedance, and his subs have unusually low input impedance, than that would explain the OP's problem.

The input impedance is not specified. However when using two subs the input impedance is halved. It is quite likely than when using two subs, he only has a miserable clipped signal, at the subs.

I bet if he buffered the two sub inputs his problem would be resolved.

His options would be to build a couple of buffer amps, or use a cheap mixer as a buffer.

Purist approaches require that buffer amps always be used, rather than a Y connection. I know we usually get away with it, and I do it on occasions. However if it is a permanent hookup, I buffer.

Could you please let me know how can i buffer the sub output
 
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shaha196

Enthusiast
Finally my subs are working properly

This sounds like the issue.
Hi Finally my 2 subs are working properly, I have locate one subs one corner of the room and othe other one diogonally opposite corner and one put on the floor and other nore around 3 feet high from the floor and play the sound and finallys its working fine, initially 2 subs waves were cancelling each other thays why lot of air was coming but there was no sound, but now its full of quality bass.

My sound system configuration:
Sony Muteki 6.2
change the sony subs and replaced with two Klipsch D10
 
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shaha196

Enthusiast
Hi,
I have 4 ports for subwoofer in my SONY AV receiver, but When i connect more than one sub I am not getting quality Bass, could anyone help me what to do?????
Hi Finally my 2 subs are working properly, I have locate one subs one corner of the room and othe other one diogonally opposite corner and one put on the floor and other nore around 3 feet high from the floor and play the sound and finallys its working fine, initially 2 subs waves were cancelling each other thays why lot of air was coming but there was no sound, but now its full of quality bass.

My sound system configuration:
Sony Muteki 6.2
change the sony subs and replaced with two Klipsch D10
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Could you please let me know how can i buffer the sub output
It sounds as if our subs are out of phase. They should not cancel side by side. Try reversing the phase to one of them by 180 degrees.

If you want to buffer the inputs, you need to use a unity gain voltage follower circuit. The easiest is to use a Norton amplifier, then you do not need a +/- supply. You can use a wall power supply. A +5 volt would be fine. I would put a 7 to 10 volt 50 mfd cap across the output though.

A very useful quad op amp chip is the 2900/3900 series from National semiconductor. This would let you buffer all four of the sub outputs.

Here is a tutorial.

Here is another.

This is the National Semiconductor Spec sheet. It takes a while to load!

http://tw.ic-on-line.cn/IOL/datasheet/lm3900m_137064.pdf

You can build four buffer amps with one chip. Pin arrangement is on page one. The zero gain voltage follower circuit you would need is on page 8.
It is labeled buffer amplifier.
 
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