JTR Speakers?

[rmk]

Is there a difference in the enclosure behind each driver that would stop you from changing the L/R to a LHL configuration instead of the LLH? I know I've seen the T8's setup either way. If you're going to the extent of building them into your wall, I'd go to the extent of having the L/C/R completely level (I'd even go as far as running them all horizontal or all vertical).

Just my $.02 of course...

I spoke to Jeff about moving the drivers and he recommended against it. I'm thinking of mounting them vertical and raising the Center so that the coax drivers are on the same plane essentially centered in the screen.

 

[MidnightSensi]

Cool!

Have you thought of getting some of their bass bins? The Captavator goes down to 16 or 20 Hz depending how he tunes it.... I'm considering some of those (not for home use, but I think it would work well in a home theater)..

 

[poutanen]

I spoke to Jeff about moving the drivers and he recommended against it. I'm thinking of mounting them vertical and raising the Center so that the coax drivers are on the same plane essentially centered in the screen.

Okay, have you got the room to run them all horizontal, on the same plane? I suppose the LFs are only doing the real LF work which is a little less directional. At what point do they crossover to the coax's?

 

[rmk]

Did some setup and resositioning of the JTR's to get them closer to their final wall positions. They continue to impress with music and movies. I repositioned my subs and re EQed them.

These JTR's are too to be this ugly.

Stones Beggars Banquet SACD is playing right now (stereo plus subs) and the house is rockin. Huge soundstage, imaging is wide and deep. I'm re-running Iron Man BR tonight.
I Love new toys!

 

[Mark Seaton]

Hi RMK & others,

The coax in the Triple 12LF has its own rear chamber, so the locations cannot be swapped once the box is assembled. Jeff pulled off a cool trick in designing it such that the chamber could be assembled for top or middle coax placement. The crossover to the woofers is rather low in frequency to allow smooth off axis performance. The location or height of the speakers you are concerned with is that of the coaxial, not the bulk of the speaker.

Nice to hear you are still enjoying the T12LFs in your own home rmk.

Now about those subs...

 

[rmk]

Hi RMK & others,

The coax in the Triple 12LF has its own rear chamber, so the locations cannot be swapped once the box is assembled. Jeff pulled off a cool trick in designing it such that the chamber could be assembled for top or middle coax placement. The crossover to the woofers is rather low in frequency to allow smooth off axis performance. The location or height of the speakers you are concerned with is that of the coaxial, not the bulk of the speaker.

Nice to hear you are still enjoying the T12LFs in your own home rmk.

Now about those subs...

Thanks for the clarification Mark, I will mount them with the coaxials on same plane. I had a great night (actually well into the morning) listening session and the T12LF's were outstanding.

Now, what about those subs? I need something no deeper than the T12LFs. Danley isworking on something that seems like the ticket but if you have any ideas, I'm all ears. IB is the other option as I have unused attic space behind the front (screen) wall of the room.

 

[Mark Seaton]

Thanks for the clarification Mark, I will mount them with the coaxials on same plane. I had a great night (actually well into the morning) listening session and the T12LF's were outstanding.

Now, what about those subs? I need something no deeper than the T12LFs. Danley isworking on something that seems like the ticket but if you have any ideas, I'm all ears. IB is the other option as I have unused attic space behind the front (screen) wall of the room.

Those late night listening sessions are always a lot of fun.

With the T12LF's 16.5" square footprint, you will need 20-24" of clear depth, to accommodate a 10-20 deg toe in (that was a large contributor to the shape and dimensions I chose for the Catalyst). My Terraform designs, which can be essentially built to fit, can work in as little as 18" of depth (even less if the sides of the sub are open) so long as sufficient total volume is available. Depending on your construction plans, you may also want to consider allowing for more space for a subwoofer by building a partial cavity/protrusion into the attic space to make for a deeper area for the speakers and/or subwoofers.

I know it is posted around somewhere, but what are your room dimensions again? Finally, can you describe some of your priorities or goals for the new subwoofer solution and possibly what you've measured with your front or rear F113 locations?

Being on a second story, a subwoofer with power into the 10-12Hz range will have some fun tactile effects on the structure. Be sure to mount your projector directly and securely to the ceiling joists or it WILL visibly vibrate. Obviously my SubMersive would fit, and offer a better dynamics with greater sub 20Hz extension in-room than your current subs, but I suspect you are after more performance per dollar with less constraint of overall size and look, so long as it will fit.

 

[rmk]

Mark,
To avoid more OT discussion I sent you a PM.
RMK

 

[rmk]

As someone who has purchased and sold a large number of audio products in the last few years, I am well aware of the honeymoon period that exists with a new product. When I made the change from my Audiophile Revel Ultima2 speakers to the industrial and pro-audio looking JTR Triple12LF”S, I was not prepared for the magnitude of the differences between the speakers. I have been very busy of late due to work and some remodeling to the HT room, so my time the JTR’s has been limited. Like the Revels, the JTR’s seemed to image very well but they produce a much larger sound stage. The JTR”s also seemed to handle the dynamics of action movie sound tracks better than the Revels.

Overall, I was happy with this move despite the obvious aesthetic compromises. Yesterday I was speaking with Jeff Permanian ordering grilles for the T12 LF’s and I complimented him on his great sounding speaker. He thanked me and asked if I had tried playing them loud? I said that I had and they sounded great. When I got home last night I decided to give them another listen. I pulled out my AC/DC Bluray that I had tried to listen to on the Revels. This disk sounded so muddled and harsh on the Revels that I turned it off after trying to get through several cuts at near concert level volumes. I attributed this failure to a poor quality recording that my “audiophile’ speakers had exposed.

I remember thinking and saying to others in a pseudo knowledgeable tone that high quality speakers are so revealing that all the faults in poor recordings are exposed. I now believe that I was merely parroting the line I had heard so often on Forums and certain AV magazines (Stereophile). While I’m sure there is some truth to this contention, I now believe that it was more the Revels relatively low efficiency and lack of dynamics that caused the AC/DC bluray to sound so bad. With acoustic music or virtually any well recorded music played at moderate volume, the Revels were spectacular but they seemed over extended when trying to play loud. With the JTR’s, I was instantly transported into the concert, ear bleeding levels and all. No matter how hard I pushed them they kept going right up to an obscene level where my amp ran out of gas.

To validate this discovery I asked my fiancé to give the AC/DC bluray a listen. She had shared my disappointment with the Revels with this disk and other rock recordings and she had bought off on the Revel’s are to revealing for bad recordings story. I started out with her favorite cut Back in Black and from the first drum hit/chord blast she was blown away. We ended up going through some other heavy metal recordings like Metallica and Alice and Chains with equally pleasing results. After an hour of this audio assault we looked at each other and laughed. The only downside to this discovery is the potential hearing loss.

Please don’t take this as slamming Revel or any other “high end” speaker. For many, appearance and pedigree are important and certainly for two channel applications a strong case can be made for the Audiophile brands. But for my use and money, Jeff has created the best speaker I have heard/owned.

 

[poutanen]

Please don’t take this as slamming Revel or any other “high end” speaker. For many, appearance and pedigree are important and certainly for two channel applications a strong case can be made for the Audiophile brands. But for my use and money, Jeff has created the best speaker I have heard/owned.

This is what I've been saying about my Yamaha S115Vs. Many are quick to discount them as just clunker boxes, and they certainly are not. The dynamic range that a pro speaker and pro amp can handle is amazing when you get into it!

 

[rmk]

I ordered the full grille covers for the T12 LF’s from Jeff yesterday. Last night the Fiancé says “why are you covering up the drivers? … I think they look cool”

Women … full of surprises

 

[poutanen]

I like the look of a pro front stage! Sorry to thread jack, but here's a pic of my new(old) front stage in my new house! Maybe it's a smaller room than my old place, but I'm dumbfounded how good only 3 speakers sounds...

 

[Mark Seaton]

I ordered the full grille covers for the T12 LF’s from Jeff yesterday. Last night the Fiancé says “why are you covering up the drivers? … I think they look cool”

Women … full of surprises

Hi RMK,

I just saw your last few posts here and got a good chuckle out of the above. Fortunately she is already "the Fiancé." Given here tolerance and interest in your HT adventure I'd suggest not wasting any time on further progression of said descriptor.

Your observations about the concert DVD experience aligns well with what I've observed many times. While there are many aspects of performance which contribute to a great sounding loudspeaker, once you exceed the dynamic limits of a speaker/amp combo that limitations tends to stick out more than others. Of course many haven't considered the dynamic range you now have on tap to be previously possible or even a worthwhile design target.

It's quite likely I'll make it out to N. CA before the snow melts around Tahoe. With any luck our schedules might allow for a meet/listen.

Enjoy!

 

[rmk]

Hi RMK,

I just saw your last few posts here and got a good chuckle out of the above. Fortunately she is already "the Fiancé." Given here tolerance and interest in your HT adventure I'd suggest not wasting any time on further progression of said descriptor.

Your observations about the concert DVD experience aligns well with what I've observed many times. While there are many aspects of performance which contribute to a great sounding loudspeaker, once you exceed the dynamic limits of a speaker/amp combo that limitations tends to stick out more than others. Of course many haven't considered the dynamic range you now have on tap to be previously possible or even a worthwhile design target.

It's quite likely I'll make it out to N. CA before the snow melts around Tahoe. With any luck our schedules might allow for a meet/listen.

Enjoy!

Hi Mark,

Yes, she is a keeper but at this stage of life, we are both happier with an open ended situation.

I'd love to give your Catalysts a listen and it looks like that is a possibility based upon a mutual friends recent purchase.

I'd also appreciate your opinion of my system's setup. I have done it all by the seat of my pants and a professional reality check would be good. I'm only 60-90 minutes from Lake Tahoe.

 

[Mark Seaton]

Hi Mark,

Yes, she is a keeper but at this stage of life, we are both happier with an open ended situation.

I'd love to give your Catalysts a listen and it looks like that is a possibility based upon a mutual friends recent purchase.

I'd also appreciate your opinion of my system's setup. I have done it all by the seat of my pants and a professional reality check would be good. I'm only 60-90 minutes from Lake Tahoe.

Hi rmk,

I can certainly appreciate that situation. (just don't let my g/f see this)

I very much look forward to you hearing the Catalysts and your impressions of them.

You are definitely speakin' my language with incentive for a visit your way. The room is looking very nice and it looks like your next logical step will be to explore an acoustically transparent, CIH screen, and hide the speakers completely.

While not on Blu-Ray, if you enjoy the concert DVD's, you might also enjoy Peter Gabriel: Growing Up Live.

Enjoy,

 

[rmk]

Hi rmk,

I can certainly appreciate that situation. (just don't let my g/f see this)

I very much look forward to you hearing the Catalysts and your impressions of them.

You are definitely speakin' my language with incentive for a visit your way. The room is looking very nice and it looks like your next logical step will be to explore an acoustically transparent, CIH screen, and hide the speakers completely.

While not on Blu-Ray, if you enjoy the concert DVD's, you might also enjoy Peter Gabriel: Growing Up Live.

Enjoy,

I hope to hear the Catalysts soon. A non-powered version would be necessary for me as I have re-wired my front stage and relocated the 20 amp circuits to the equipment closet. A single 16 is all that remains to power the plasma.

I almost pulled the trigger on a CIH AT screen with the T12LF's shelf mounted on the front wall. I decided to wait this out for a while as I really like having the dual use Projector/Plasma and there seem to be a lot of improvements just around the corner video wise. Also, if you've ever tried watching a basketball game on a big screen, it can be a bit much.

 

[calnbs]

For those interested in JTR speakers. A dealer is willing to list them on ebay for the live.com cash back. Looks like a good deal.

These speakers have gotten my attention but unfortunately, its a no go for me due to the azz beating I have taken in the stock market and trying to buy a house at the same time.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1062777&page=4

 

[rmk]

Thought I would revive this thread as I am so impressed with these speakers for HT and music that I'd like to help JTR get the word out. I received an email from Jeff Periman (JTR owner) today indicating a new smaller Triple 8 HT speaker will be coming out soon and he is offering a nice discount for pre orders.

I am waiting for the details on some new surrounds Jeff will also be introducing in the next month or so. I have owned and heard some of the best loudspeakers available at any price and IMO, the JTR's can hold their own in terms of dynamics and sound quality with the best of them.

Here (again) is my front stage with the JTR Triple 12LF's as LCR's. I added grill covers making them a little less intimidating but they would be a very tough sell to a woman in a non-dedicated space.

 

[bandphan]

Thought I would revive this thread as I am so impressed with these speakers for HT and music that I'd like to help JTR get the word out. I received an email from Jeff Periman (JTR owner) today indicating a new smaller Triple 8 HT speaker will be coming out soon and he is offering a nice discount for pre orders.

I am waiting for the details on some new surrounds Jeff will also be introducing in the next month or so. I have owned and heard some of the best loudspeakers available at any price and IMO, the JTR's can hold their own in terms of dynamics and sound quality with the best of them.

Here (again) is my front stage with the JTR Triple 12LF's as LCR's. I added grill covers making them a little less intimidating but they would be a very tough sell to a woman in a non-dedicated space.

those are some excellent performers

 

[Matt34]

Smaller triple 8? I like the sound of that. I need to start saving money again.