Elemental Designs A7S-450 Subwoofer Review

jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
For what it is worth. I have dealt with eD for both the A5-350 and A2-300 in various setups I have done for friends.

eD seems to be the 'go to' sub-woofer company for me when I have a budget to stay in but don't feel like cutting corners (Which I never feel like doing, so I don't when budget allows).

Even with some issues on an early production A5-350, eD has been there. Customer service was simply spectacular. Companies always show their true colors when a problem arises. eD steps up. PERIOD.

I have remarked on the finish of the subs. They are durable, they are black. When the lights are turned low, all audio equipment is black. Thanks eD for producing a solid product. I really don't care if you used wax paper for a driver. As long as you perform, you perform. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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mannoiaj

Junior Audioholic
Heres a photo of a pair of a5-350's in my basement.





I don't think they look all bad... it just depends on your tastes a bit.
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
They actualy look very nice :) How do they perform for you ? Nice HT have there btw .
 
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mannoiaj

Junior Audioholic
They actualy look very nice :) How do they perform for you ? Nice HT have there btw .
Only one is working until tomorrow when I get a replacement driver and amp. I have the single one dialed in using audyssey and AVIA w/ SPL meter. I'm getting pretty solid flat response from 20 - 80 hz ... at 95 db's. I have a bit of a null at 60 hz I plan on EQ'ing tomorrow when I can get placement down a bit better. It crushes all of my other subs which consisted of B&W asw675, paradigm psw2200, klipsch ksw15, and a mirage 12 incher. The only sub that sounded as good was the B&W and for only music. It doesn't have near the output of the a5-350. I also have an A2-300 subwoofer from ED in my bedroom that is extremely good for the money I paid. Very much a bang for your buck powered sub I'd say. Customer service is great... you get the feeling they "like" talking to their customers on the phone for sure. Bottom line, I think you have to build it yourself to get a better bass per $ spent than Elemental Designs. Now, if you want fit and finish, the total package etc... look elsewhere. Thats not what they are trying to do.
 
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gorillacooch

Enthusiast
Hey I read the part about the large inrush of the 1300 watts, is this just a theoretical thing or did you actually discover this when you were turning it on? Because I cannot decide between the AV123 Dual MFW-15s(I keep reading that their amps are failing even though they claim they fixed the problem, price isnt too great too when you factor in shipping), Epik Dynasty(Seems like the best choice, most efficient power usage, depth, output, but price isn't that good seeing as how i can get an A7-450 for $100 more including shipping), Elemental designs A7-450(Probably the best choice its just the power usage has me worried because I'm on a 15 amp breaker in my bedroom), and the SVS PB-13 Ultra(Seems like one of the best choices but the A7-450, conquest equivalent, is better for less including shipping.).

Please help
 
djreef

djreef

Audioholic Chief
Hey I read the part about the large inrush of the 1300 watts, is this just a theoretical thing or did you actually discover this when you were turning it on? Because I cannot decide between the AV123 Dual MFW-15s(I keep reading that their amps are failing even though they claim they fixed the problem, price isnt too great too when you factor in shipping), Epik Dynasty(Seems like the best choice, most efficient power usage, depth, output, but price isn't that good seeing as how i can get an A7-450 for $100 more including shipping), Elemental designs A7-450(Probably the best choice its just the power usage has me worried because I'm on a 15 amp breaker in my bedroom), and the SVS PB-13 Ultra(Seems like one of the best choices but the A7-450, conquest equivalent, is better for less including shipping.).

Please help
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59702

You may want to PM him and see if it's still available.
 
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gorillacooch

Enthusiast
And buy a subwoofer that is one year into the warranty? If it was 1200 with shipping I'd say yes, but 1350? id rather spend the extra 350 and make sure i get my full 3 years.

Also 3 years doesn't really seem that long. If you look at eD they have a 5 year warranty. Now thats a warranty, that shows they really stand by their product.
 
djreef

djreef

Audioholic Chief
And buy a subwoofer that is one year into the warranty? If it was 1200 with shipping I'd say yes, but 1350? id rather spend the extra 350 and make sure i get my full 3 years.

Also 3 years doesn't really seem that long. If you look at eD they have a 5 year warranty. Now thats a warranty, that shows they really stand by their product.
That's true, but then I wasn't sure where you are. It could've been a short road trip. Then at $1200 it would've been a steal.

DJ
 
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gorillacooch

Enthusiast
I am really pulling my hair out here, I think the A7-450 and the SVS PB-13 Ultra would be the best choice, but the only reason why I'm skeptical from buying the eD is the power rating. I"m using one 15 amp breaker for my bedroom, and my high powered gaming system, which uses 500 watts, and my xpa-5, integra dtc-9.8 and mirage OMD system, are all on the same breaker. So far it says I'm using 4.6 amperes on my power conditioner. When I game its at 7. I'm worried about using the eD cause of the 1300 watt draw. eD told me that it uses 500-800 watts on low to medium volumes. But still when you turn on the sub I'm worried about the large inrush that Audioholics mentioned. And electricians today are ripping people off like crazy just to install a 20 amp breaker, which only takes 20 min in my house to install. They want to charge something like $1000. which is ridiculous. But they quote me on the phone at 300 but then they see the house they say $1000. No offense but electricians aren't worth more than $50/hour let alone $1000 for 20 min. And this also includes me providing the breaker and the cable. So he's just charging me labor.
 
BufordTJustice

BufordTJustice

Junior Audioholic
A7s-450 + eQ.2 = Heaven

Seriously, the A7s-450 is a completely different sub (if you want it to be) when you use the eQ.2. Amazing performance from this thing since it has so much headroom. I has no limits in my open living room for my listening purposes. Amazing output down to 10Hz. Great dynamic impact for music. You can make it sound like whatever you want. Here is my review I posted for the one I own on eD's website:

I have had my A7s-450 for almost two weeks now. I begged the wife to let me get it as I already had an A2-300 that has worked wonders in our old, smaller living room. However, a new house meant more room and a higher ceiling...the A2-300 was struggling on some movie scenes that had the lowest bass (i.e, Master and Commander, Terminator, etc.) as I had to turn the gain higher than before, despite a corner location. I just needed to move more air.

I e-chatted with Brett to great effect; he was very knowledgeable from a design standpoint and had much insight into what was mechanically and electrically required from a subwoofer to accurately reproduce bass. I learned a lot and centered on the A5-350 15" ported and the A7s-450 18" sealed units. Brett helped me figure out how much air i needed to move (as in total driver linear displacement and the proper amp power to take advantage of it.) and the type of sound I was looking for for my music listening. We had an extremely productive chat and Brett was both very friendly and very professional. I was taken aback because it was much more like speaking with a friend on IM than a person I've never met in Iowa (I'm in Florida). His open-ness to share specific figures and specs on his products sold me. Having a background in live pro-sound mixing, I know enough to know that he did not BS me. Not even once. He didn't even try...he just knew his stuff inside and out. Then I pried it out of him....he had a direct hand in the actual DESIGN of several eD sealed subwoofers, to include the A7s-450. We talked turkey for about 15 minutes and then I let him go. NO pressure and he got ZERO info from me. There was no guarantee of a sale on his part...he just poured out the info.

Days later, I spoke with Matt over the phone, who was equally knowledgeable and helpful. I verified the free eQ.2 promo for the A7s-450 and ordered one over the phone. Wam, bam, thank-you-ma'am. No hassle and I was G2G.

I received it via, as always, free shipping. This sub was so big, I had to un-pack it completely just to fit it in my Hyundai Elantra (don't try this at home boys and girls). After a few sacrificial (and permanent) modifications to my front passenger seat, two little helpers at the UPS depot, I shoe-horned the beast in. :)

After getting it home and turned-on, it was a revelation; the sub just had no limits in my new living room. This was before tweaking via the included eQ.2 (a steal, I might add). I went to bed, perfectly happy with my purchase.

A few days later I found the time to fiddle with the eQ.2 Long story short, you can dial this sub to make it sound like whatever you want in your room. I've got the mid-bass shelved by about 6db from 60-65Hz on up and the low EQ centered on 25Hz with a Q of 2 and about 7 or 8 dB of boost. It's dynamic from barely audible night-time everyone-else-is-sleeping volume levels to neighborhood-rapport-destroying levels with Terminator:Salvation, Transformers II RoTF, and Master & Commander. Amazing output at well below 20 Hz. I test-toned it down to about 10Hz. Amazing. Just stupid levels of sound from this thing. It left me shaking my head at how low it went and still maintained its composure....it just kept getting louder and louder...I decided to stop testing as it was getting late and the sub just kept getting louder. I became legitimately concerned that it was going to break my sliding-glass-door as it was sitting not far from it.

Music performance is as accurate as I could ever hope. It's dynamic and impactful. It sounds great with Metallica, Anberlin, MuteMath, Diana Krall (her damn-near-perfectly recorded 'Live in Paris'), Van Morrison, Dave Brubek, AC-DC ('Shoot to Thrill' and 'Thunderstruck' will change your life using this sub), John Mayer, Michael Jackson, Jack Johnson, Black Eyed Peas, Red, Breaking Benjamin, Bach, Handel, U2, etc. It sounded great with everything I played through it...Once I got the levels dialed in, NO further adjustments were needed. I have never experienced this...it just disappeared and added depth and impact to what I thought were familiar recordings. Every song had added depth and the soundstage seemed HUGE....much bigger than the room....especially with live recordings (like U2's 'Live in Chicago' DVD). The eQ.2 adds so much versatility to this sub...they should be considered a pair. You can adjust the sub to even out your room response in so many ways, it would be worth the price of the upgrade (even though it's free now). Just amazing. I haven't heard ANYTHING any where near this price point that can even match this performance in a regular guy's living room. I do not have any sound treatments or other goodies...I have a wife who uses her magnifying glass about what the room looks like. The sub sounds so good, she even passes it now. She was able to clearly articulate that it sounds MUCH better than ANY theater she has ever been to. She said that anything that 'sounds this amazing' is okay in her living room, regardless of size. She watches romantic comedies with the sound system now because even she thinks it makes the closing of doors and city scenes seem more real. Who am I to argue? ;)

I can whole-heartedly recommend this sub. The only thing I could imagine that would be better than an A7s-450 would be TWO A7s-450's. :)
 
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