NYT article comares Obama to Hitler

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Buckeye_Nut

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Apparently to the NY times, Obama=Hitler is a good thing. The NY Times article not only compares Obama to Hitler, but they mean it as a compliment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wow.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/business/economy/01leonhardt.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&ref=business&adxnnlx=1238951162-CL9N9UOkaAedSr8t+Yd9JQ

The article states that Obama's economic recovery plan/spending porkulous bill is a great thing. That is NOT surprising considering the liberal Times source.

What did shock me is they compared Obama to Hitler, and it's meant as a compliment. The article praised Hitlers 1930's socialist economic plan and compared it to the Obama plan of today.


What do you think? Are you equally shocked?

Discuss........
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
For what it's worth, I don't take the same thing away from that article as you did - specifically that Obama = Hitler.

I find it a humorous coincidence that the date on the web address is April 1.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Maybe the NYT will help the people who don't like FNN to see what's really going on.
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Yet another AWESOME, completely pointless and inane thread started by Buckeye Nut. Color me surprised. :rolleyes:
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
The Nazis drew a majority of their support from right-wing parties. Very different than Obama's support. And it isn't because the GOP is smarter or learned from history as they've proved time and again they're just as stupid as the democrats.

In another thread, I had stated the Nazi party being right-wing. Although they had left-wing economical ideas, I and many others feel that the strong adherence to tradition, support for a strong national defense, and anti-communist views outweighed their economical views leaning the party right. That said, Germany was thriving while the rest of the world was struggling in depression. Were their economical policies responsible or was it their adherence to tradition and a strong national defense? What if it was a responsible government and not a madman at the helm?
 
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lsiberian

lsiberian

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The Nazis drew a majority of their support from right-wing parties. Very different than Obama's support. And it isn't because the GOP is smarter or learned from history as they've proved time and again they're just as stupid as the democrats.

In another thread, I had stated the Nazi party being right-wing. Although they had left-wing economical ideas, I and many others feel that the strong adherence to tradition, support for a strong national defense, and anti-communist views outweighed their economical views leaning the party right. That said, Germany was thriving while the rest of the world was struggling in depression. Were their economical policies responsible or was it their adherence to tradition and a strong national defense?
Since you are so quick to criticize everyone. I suggest you run for office and try pushing your own ideas through. Obviously you know how to solve the problems we have. So quit beating on em and run. ;) You might get some support from AH folks. We can always use another smart guy in congress.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
The Nazis drew a majority of their support from right-wing parties.

In another thread, I had stated the Nazi party being right-wing. Although they had left-wing economical ideas, I and many others feel that the strong adherence to tradition, support for a strong national defense, and anti-communist views outweighed their economical views leaning the party right. That said, Germany was thriving while the rest of the world was struggling. Were their economical policies responsible or was it their adherence to tradition and a strong national defense?
Germany put masses of people to work in the 30's with massive public spending that gave the illusion of prosperity. The flaw in suggesting that their policy was correct is that Germany intended and planned on having a war within a decade. The concept was to build a vast army and annex neighboring states, peacefully in the case of Austria and Czechoslovakia or by force in Poland, in order to finance putting Germans to work with plunder from it's victim states.

Surely, this is not how America plans to pay off it's national debt.

BTW, tradition and national defense are not hallmarks of a right wing nation, vis a vis Great Britain and others.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Since you are so quick to criticize everyone. I suggest you run for office and try pushing your own ideas through. Obviously you know how to solve the problems we have. So quit beating on em and run. ;) You might get some support from AH folks. We can always use another smart guy in congress.
I would, but being a politician requires you to be immoral if you want to get anything done. Count me out. As a citizen, it's my responsibility to question and criticize the government at every turn. Perhaps, if more people did this, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Germany put masses of people to work in the 30's with massive public spending that gave the illusion of prosperity. The flaw in suggesting that their policy was correct is that Germany intended and planned on having a war within a decade. The concept was to build a vast army and annex neighboring states, peacefully in the case of Austria and Czechoslovakia or by force in Poland, in order to finance putting Germans to work with plunder from it's victim states.

Surely, this is not how America plans to pay off it's national debt.
Bush has already tried in Iraq and learned this strategy doesn't work. War is expensive and is what sank the Germans. The question is whether Germany would have survived without being imperialistic and to what level.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Bush has already tried in Iraq and learned this strategy doesn't work.
Yeah, that argument doesn't fly either. Asia is the largest market for Iraqi oil. Asia and Europe account for 63% of Iraqi oil exports. North and South America combined only account for 37% of Iraq's oil. And last I checked, American companies pay for Iraqi oil the same way everybody else does. http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iraq/OilExports.html

Unless you can suggest something else that the U.S. may have plundered from Iraq, your suggestion is entirely baseless.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

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Yeah, that argument doesn't fly either. Asia is the largest market for Iraqi oil. Asia and Europe account for 63% of Iraqi oil exports. North and South America combined only account for 37% of Iraq's oil. And last I checked, American companies pay for Iraqi oil the same way everybody else does. http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iraq/OilExports.html

Unless you can suggest something else that the U.S. may have plundered from Iraq, your suggestion is entirely baseless.
Not entirely. But the main reason for going to Iraq was for the WMDs. You can get conspiracy all you want, but the fact is our intelligence misled us. Or they hid em real well. Either way that was our reason for going. Remember when we went we had recently had the center of our economic world destroyed by terrorist actions so no one wanted to mess around. We went in to quickly without an end game strategy. That was our failure.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

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Not entirely. But the main reason for going to Iraq was for the WMDs. You can get conspiracy all you want, but the fact is our intelligence misled us.
Of course Saddam had them, we have the carbons of the receipts to prove it. :)
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Yeah, that argument doesn't fly either. Asia is the largest market for Iraqi oil. Asia and Europe account for 63% of Iraqi oil exports. North and South America combined only account for 37% of Iraq's oil. And last I checked, American companies pay for Iraqi oil the same way everybody else does. http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iraq/OilExports.html

Unless you can suggest something else that the U.S. may have plundered from Iraq, your suggestion is entirely baseless.
Someone should have told Bush that six years ago. Instead, he like so many were sold the WMD idea and he along with the rest of the country bought it hook, line, and sinker. That aside, your percentages actually strengthen the argument. If you're the US, wouldn't you want to control a country who exports loads of oil to Asia? That's a lot of leverage.

All of this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread so I will leave it alone.
 
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Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
But the main reason for going to Iraq was for the WMDs.
Yes, thank you. That is exactly my point.

If you're the US, wouldn't you want to control a country who exports loads of oil to Asia?
That makes even less sense. Are you really saying that the U.S. invaded Iraq to control China's oil supply? Again, neither the numbers nor the facts support your assertion. The numbers suggest that China is getting all the oil it wants from Iraq even if America is not. The political situation in Iraq is characterized by America giving up authority to Iraqi officials as soon as the security, bureaucracy and infrastructure conditions allow. As indicated in the link I gave you, Iraqi oil exports are controlled by an Iraqi state committee for it's own benefit. There is no indication that the U.S. is controlling the production or distribution of their oil. No doubt the U.S. is still protecting and defending Iraqi oil facilities but you can think of that as the modern interpretation of the Marshall Plan, i.e. support the economic and national security efforts of the defeated nation so that it can rebuild a stable economy and rejoin the international community with the dignity and respect of an equal on the international stage.
 
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10010011

Senior Audioholic
Since you are so quick to criticize everyone. I suggest you run for office and try pushing your own ideas through. Obviously you know how to solve the problems we have.
I was just thinking the same thing about people like Limbaugh, Hannity, that new right wingnut (the crying guy), Maddow, Rhodes, and the rest of the "pundits".

It's easy to whine and moan but what have any of these guys done for the country? (besides whine and moan?)
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
That makes even less sense. Are you really saying that the U.S. invaded Iraq to control China's oil supply? Again, neither the numbers nor the facts support your assertion. The numbers suggest that China is getting all the oil it wants from Iraq even if America is not. The political situation in Iraq is characterized by America giving up authority to Iraqi officials as soon as the security, bureaucracy and infrastructure conditions allow. As indicated in the link I gave you, Iraqi oil exports are controlled by an Iraqi state committee for it's own benefit. There is no indication that the U.S. is controlling the production or distribution of their oil. No doubt the U.S. is still protecting and defending Iraqi oil facilities but you can think of that as the modern interpretation of the Marshall Plan, i.e. support the economic and national security efforts of the defeated nation so that it can rebuild a stable economy and rejoin the international community with the dignity and respect of an equal on the international stage.
Simply pointing out that it was one of many bad reasons the Bush Administration took us to war. First it was because of 9/11; then because they have WMD; then because we're spreading democracy, blah, blah, blah... The justification for the war was a bunch of little things added up and oil was a larger-than-average piece. Most of the world knew the U.S. evidence was weak, it's a shame the public didn't know. They simply swallowed the propaganda and the same people now are whining about getting out.

Let's use a hypothetical. Country A accounts for a significant portion of the U.S.'s oil, but has a volatile history with China. China starts seeing threats where they don't exist and brings evidence to the world. The world rejects the evidence as paranoia. China decides it can't live with this threat and invades. China claims it will turn the country over when it feels things are safe. Even if it's true, I doubt anyone in the US would feel comfortable with this situation. We didn't even feel comfortable when Russia invaded a small country like Georgia. We often believe in this country that what we say is taken as the truth around the globe and that simply isn't the case as so many are skeptical of the US especially after the last eight years. Control isn't just direct control, but political influence, indebtedness all fall under the umbrella.

I also want to point out that war isn't always about facts and figures. It sometimes happens for the stupidest of reasons as history has shown.

I want to get back to the whole German economy. The premises I see are that Germany's economy was thriving and Germany instituted several economic policies many consider socialist. It has been suggested that this prosperity was illusionary and the Germans were going to use plunder to keep it alive. I can understand using plunder to fund the war machine similar to how the Romans did 2,000 years ago, but I don't recall seeing any evidence that the Germany economy was straining prior to the war. Although, I admit I haven't look that carefully at this. Since you have a history degree, you'd have a better idea than I.
 
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Tomorrow

Tomorrow

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The premises I see are that Germany's economy was thriving and Germany instituted several economic policies many consider socialist. It has been suggested that this prosperity was illusionary and the Germans were going to use plunder to keep it alive. I can understand using plunder to fund the war machine similar to how the Romans did 2,000 years ago, but I don't recall seeing any evidence that the Germany economy was straining prior to the war. Although, I admit I haven't look that carefully at this. Since you have a history degree, you'd have a better idea than I.

The German economy was in tatters, strongly influenced by U.S. embargos, which led to the rise of Germanic nationalism, Hitler, and the Nazi party.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
The German economy was in tatters, strongly influenced by U.S. embargos, which led to the rise of Germanic nationalism, Hitler, and the Nazi party.
That was while it was still a democracy. I'm talking about the time in between.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Simply pointing out that it was one of many bad reasons the Bush Administration took us to war. First it was because of 9/11; then because they have WMD; then because we're spreading democracy, blah, blah, blah... The justification for the war was a bunch of little things added up and oil was a larger-than-average piece.
According to these two links: http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp &
http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

In 1998 - Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, all were very concerned with WMD's.
Those were the days 'before' everything was all G. Bush's fault. ( and I'm no Bush supporter)
 
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