The Obama Motors Corporation

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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
Obama fires the GM CEO and the Obama team will soon lead the way to automotive prosperity under his leadership.

This is change you can believe in!!

Discuss.........
 
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Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
That is exactly what I was referring to when I referenced in another thread Obama's latest step in advancing America's fascist leanings. It is a hallmark of fascist states that the government dictates how private enterprises are run. In this case, GM's shareholders have been usurped by the government with the forced removal of their CEO. Apparently, Obama believes that because in his judgement, Wagoner was not a good CEO, the POTUS must use his power in office to remove him. This is the way a fascist state operates, not the way a free market, constitutionally limited republic operates.
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
Yeah this is simply awfull and scares the living crap out of me that the government can get away with something that big in public and nothing be done about it. Where is the balance there? IMO the government has no business rubernecking around in anyones affairs and that includes the IRS.
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
In September, 2008, I posted this proposal regarding the auto industry, and what I thought should be done to fix the problem.

It was sent to Dearborn (I am also a Ford dealer).

A lot of people took me to task at the time for being too draconian in the suggestions.

Let's see what the AH Steam Vent has to say:

craigsub said:
My Proposal to save the US Auto Industry

I will start with my credentials, and also with my biases.

I have been in the auto industry since 1982, and have worked my way from selling cars up to owning 2 domestic dealerships.
I also have a financial services company which has every type of franchise as a client.

Should the big "3" go away, I could easily replace them with a Japanese counterpart. The simple fact is, Hyundai and Nissan would love to bring vehicles into my Ford dealership.

The Big Three will require a capital infusion in order to survive. The problem is, without a complete overhaul in how the domestic industry is run, and regulated, the capital infusion will be a waste of money. OUR money.

The Big Three is not just three companies, as they are directly tied into national security.

During World War II, our domestic auto companies stopped production of new vehicles, and in appx. 3.5 years, produced the following (from a Time Magazine article:

The Big Three automakers all contributed and gained acclaim for their efforts. Chrysler became known for tanks, while Ford focused on airplanes and the newly designed four-wheel drive "Jeeps." Ford's Willow Run plant produced 300,317 military aircraft during the war. (A notable Willow Run product was the B-24 bomber, also known as "the Liberator.") General Motors manufactured light, medium, and heavy tanks, tank destroyers, armored cars, amphibious vehicles, aircraft engines, and propellers. Artillery shells, such as the one in the above photograph were produced by Oldsmobile, a division of General Motors. Over the course of the war, the automobile industry manufactured $29 billion worth of war goods. It provided 12.5 billion rounds of small arms ammunition , 245 million shells, and nearly six million guns. It is no wonder Detroit became known as the "arsenal of democracy."

Can anyone imagine what would happen if and when we need the auto companies to repeat this effort ? To the "Big 3", you have been there for us in our past, and now you need our help to survive. Read on below to find what someone who has a 7 digit investment in his 2 dealerships thinks about what we need from YOU. Check the word "need". The proper word is what we DEMAND from you.

In an effort to keep this somewhat concise, what needs fixed are four primary problems within the Auto Companies:

1. Management
2. Unions
3. Government
4. Retirees


If we are going to fix the auto industry, the excesses of the four groups, as listed above, will need fixed. Here are the rules each should be forced to live by.

Management:

The era of big dollar salaries is over. Alan Mulally (Ford CEO), you are taking a $28.2 million dollar salary. Rick Wagner (GM CEO), you get a $12.2 million salary, while Richard Nardelli (Chrysler CEO) is taking a $1 Base Salary and his compensation over that is based on the performance of the company.

CEO pay needs to be brought back to a multiple of what the typical worker makes, with a corresponding bonus for actually making a PROFIT

From now on, you will receive 10 times what the skilled laborers in your company make, plus 5% of the annual net profit.

Before you get all angry about this, the skilled laborer in your factories makes $33 per hour, so we are talking about a base salary of appx. $690,000 per year, plus health care, company car and an expense account.

As recently as 2000, Ford made a profit of $6 Billion. Alan Mulally, your share of profits of the magnitude would be $300,000,000. '

The rest of management will get to split 20% of the company's profits, with their maximum base pay being set at no higher than 5 times the hourly worker's wages.

Union:

To my Union competition, it is time you started being my friend. Every month, I have to buy the products you make, and sell them to people who have other options besides "our" products. The day of your getting paid a higher wage for building the cars than I do as a dealer for selling the cars for you has come to an end.

We are going to put you on the same wage scale as the Asian transplants, on average. This means you will be earning about $17 to $25 per hour, plus benefits.

We are, however, going to take the same 25% of profit that applies to the white collar workers, and split it up between all the laborers in our factories.

Again, using Ford as an example, we have about 60,000 factory workers today. Let's get back to making $6 Billion per year, and your annual bonus will be $25,000. That is $12 per hour in bonus, and this is quite achievable as an AVERAGE if you will concentrate on building the best vehicle you possibly can.

You also need to ask yourself: "If we can make this kind of money, why do we need a union taking part of our pay ?"

Government:

We need, besides you giving back to us some of the billions in taxes we have paid to you over the decades, to let us run our business.

Your role in all this is simple: Each year, the Big Three will submit to you a detailed financial statement so you can assure that the white collar and blue collar workers are each living up to it's collective end of the bargain.

Stop telling us what type of vehicles to make. The American People will purchase vehicles they want. The free market will always do the right thing.

Retirees:

You retirees need to understand something immediately: If you don't agree to a drastic change in your retirement plan, you will have nothing. I have talked to a lot of Big Three workers and retirees. You know that you took advantage of a company which had no choice but to capitulate to your increasing demands for higher wages, higher pensions, and forever health insurance.

I have listened to many of you laugh about how you knew the companies had to give in, because anything that even looked as if there was "union busting" going on had congressmen contacting the management team warning them to play ball.

We now have a situation in which 180,000 active GM workers are being told they need to pay the health care for 420,000 retirees and 120,000 surviving spouses.

This is not affordable.

What we are going to do is two-fold.

A. We are going to take the pension, as it exists today, and pay to the retirees a pro-rated portion of the account.

B. There is another health care plan for retirees, it is called Medicare. It is time you went on Medicare like every other retiree. If you want to purchase supplemental coverage, that is your decision.

Current workers and potential auto purchasers and ESPECIALLY THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS are not responsible for your "royalty retirement".

In Conclusion:

To the Big Three, the UAW, The Government and Retirees, I agree that it is in America's best interest to have a thriving auto industry.

You need my help, and the help of tax payers across this beautiful country in order to survive.

Fine - Then you are going to abide by OUR rules. Before you get a penny of our $50 BILLION, you are going everything as listed above. You will have to file for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. We know this is a bitter pill to swallow, but so is $50 BILLION.

Each of the Big Three plus the UAW will be signing an agreement based on the above proposal, and we taxpayers will be expecting to see the annual financial statements.

This should not be a bail out of a rotten system as we currently have. This should be a hand up to an industry that was once the best in the world, and who wants to once again be the best in the world.
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
Very nice Craig. I like it.....but apparently you have never dealt with whiney squabbling union workers. :)
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
We had a union "shop" in our service department when I first bought the dealership in 1992. By the year 2000, the guys voted the union out, as they realized that the worst mechanics were making the same money as the best.

This allowed us to finally reward the best, and by 2002, we made Ford's President's Award list, and have never looked back.

Our top mechanic made $80,000 last year, and earned every penny.

Back to the opening thread title ... I don't think one of these self-proclaimed experts in Washington could last 2 years running a dealership, let alone the factories.

This is truly terrifying.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
The Big Three automakers all contributed and gained acclaim for their efforts. Chrysler became known for tanks, while Ford focused on airplanes and the newly designed four-wheel drive "Jeeps." Ford's Willow Run plant produced 300,317 military aircraft during the war. (A notable Willow Run product was the B-24 bomber, also known as "the Liberator.") General Motors manufactured light, medium, and heavy tanks, tank destroyers, armored cars, amphibious vehicles, aircraft engines, and propellers. Artillery shells, such as the one in the above photograph were produced by Oldsmobile, a division of General Motors. Over the course of the war, the automobile industry manufactured $29 billion worth of war goods. It provided 12.5 billion rounds of small arms ammunition , 245 million shells, and nearly six million guns. It is no wonder Detroit became known as the "arsenal of democracy."

Can anyone imagine what would happen if and when we need the auto companies to repeat this effort ?
that's easy. require the japanese brands to make war machines for you.

then you will have Voltes 5, Daimos, Ultraman, etc. to fight for you.

isn't Hyundai Korean?
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
that's easy. require the japanese brands to make war machines for you.

then you will have Voltes 5, Daimos, Ultraman, etc. to fight for you.

isn't Hyundai Korean?
Mike, I like you. But sometimes, you need to think before posting. Proposing that foreign owned corporations would be required to build for our military ? Try selling that to the Japanese Government.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
Mike, I like you. But sometimes, you need to think before posting. Proposing that foreign owned corporations would be required to build for our military ? Try selling that to the Japanese Government.
lol. i would have thought ultraman would have been enough of a hint about humor.

astroboy?
(there's a movie coming out)
http://www.astroboy-themovie.com/
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
lol. i would have thought ultraman would have been enough of a hint about humor.

astroboy?
(there's a movie coming out)
http://www.astroboy-themovie.com/
An industry that comes up with names like Yaris, Amigo, and Brat is certainly capable of coming up with "ultraman".

Sorry to jump you, old friend, but this is a pretty serious issue. I personally know thousands of good people whose lives are being screwed with by Obama and his thugs, Gettelfinger and his thugs (and if I mis-spelled his name, I don't give a rat's posterior) and the executives with their extreme pay.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
It scares the crap out of me that the gov't can just step in and "take over" a company like this. This is supposed to be a free country, not freakin' communist Russia for Pete's sake. We should tell Obama to take a hike on this one. What's next on the list of take overs????
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
Obama is no less qualified than the people who have already run these companies into the ground. The current CEOs of the big 3 have literally zero automotive background and come from marketing or financial backgrounds and therein lies the problem. Americans need to get a grip!!
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
Alan Mulally worked at Boeing from 1969 until 2005, and eventually became president of Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

This means he started in manufacturing when Obama was 7 years old.

What private sector job has Obama ever had ?

What business has he ever run ?

Qualified my ***.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
In September, 2008, I posted this proposal regarding the auto industry, and what I thought should be done to fix the problem.

It was sent to Dearborn (I am also a Ford dealer).

A lot of people took me to task at the time for being too draconian in the suggestions.

Let's see what the AH Steam Vent has to say:
What happens if they Nationalize the auto industry? I think the plan about bringing in a foreign brand will go out the window.
 
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dronezero

Audioholic
The responses in this thread are absurd. The government is not taking over GM (not yet anyways). GM is requesting more money from the federal government. The White House said that if they want the money they are going to need to make major changes, starting with a new CEO. Wagoner could have stayed on if he wanted and face the imminent bankruptcy that he drove the company to, but he chose that the best option for the company was for him to step down and accept federal aid.

To imply that Obama is going to be running GM is ludicrous.
 
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The Dukester

Audioholic Chief
"People's car" anyone? So far, I can do without the "change." I still pray for the man, though.
 
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The Dukester

Audioholic Chief
The responses in this thread are absurd. The government is not taking over GM (not yet anyways). GM is requesting more money from the federal government. The White House said that if they want the money they are going to need to make major changes, starting with a new CEO. Wagoner could have stayed on if he wanted and face the imminent bankruptcy that he drove the company to, but he chose that the best option for the company was for him to step down and accept federal aid.

To imply that Obama is going to be running GM is ludicrous.
For the big three to ask the government for money and them considering it is ludicrous if you ask me. "Free enterprise" is going to cost our great grandkids. A major overhaul is needed and unfortunately, a bankruptsy or two may be what it takes.
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
The responses in this thread are absurd. The government is not taking over GM (not yet anyways). GM is requesting more money from the federal government. The White House said that if they want the money they are going to need to make major changes, starting with a new CEO. Wagoner could have stayed on if he wanted and face the imminent bankruptcy that he drove the company to, but he chose that the best option for the company was for him to step down and accept federal aid.

To imply that Obama is going to be running GM is ludicrous.
I don't suppose you bothered to read what I posted several hours ago that you have now passed off as absurd ?

Wagoner did the best job a person could, considering the circumstances. Taking over a company that has to support 540,000 retirees or survivors with 180,000 active employees when your competition does not have to do so is an impossible task,

The federal government is the biggest reason the big three have a problem in the first place.

GM makes a profit everywhere but North America, where they have to tolerate a forced on them union.
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
The responses in this thread are absurd. The government is not taking over GM (not yet anyways). GM is requesting more money from the federal government. The White House said that if they want the money they are going to need to make major changes, starting with a new CEO. Wagoner could have stayed on if he wanted and face the imminent bankruptcy that he drove the company to, but he chose that the best option for the company was for him to step down and accept federal aid.

To imply that Obama is going to be running GM is ludicrous.
Here is what the AP has to say about today's events:

AP said:
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama asserted unprecedented government control over the auto industry Monday, bluntly rejecting turnaround plans by General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC, demanding fresh concessions for long-term federal aid and raising the possibility of quick bankruptcy for either ailing auto giant.
 
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