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Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
well I use it all the way up...I know it's my fault, but do you know any other way I can make my music sound crisp and clear?

Any suggestions on how to set up the EQ?
How close are you sitting to the speakers? Where the speakers distorting before they blew? If they where distorting then describe how they where distorting.
 
Evildude

Evildude

Audioholic Intern
How close are you sitting to the speakers? Where the speakers distorting before they blew? If they where distorting then describe how they where distorting.
Im probably about 10ft away from them, and NO there was never distortion, actually they still sound just like they did the day I git them...
 
just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
if you really are using those tiny speakers, and expecting good and loud = you are just kidding yourself. my surrounds will blow those away. get some real speakers. for your budget, look on craigslist.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
If you heard no distortion before the tweeter blew then the amplifier is not to blame. The speaker's tweeter just failed. If you had heard distortion it would have meant the receiver was being driven past it's design parameters and that could cause tweeter failure from OVER powering the small tweeter. It's also possible that you mechanically over powered the tweeter, but unlikely. The Sony speakers are not built to a high standard and it's most likely it was a weak part that failed under normal conditions, this is not impossible in the least so it is worth considering the possibility.

I understand that you like your speakers, but if you want better sound quality (clarity) then you will need different speakers. Better speakers don't have to be bigger and they don't have to go louder, they just have to be a good speaker. Most speakers would be a staggering improvement from the Sonys that you presently have.

You are under the assumption that you need more power because a speaker has a specification that says "power handling 120 watts" or what ever it might say. To give you a better understanding of how power and speakers relate I will use the specifications of your speakers and the assumption that your Mitsu is 50 watts per channel to illustrate how they interact with one another on a basic level.

Speakers have a specification called Sensitivity. The typical standard of sensitivity measurement is based on that speaker's output given input of 1 watt with some input device (microphone) or ear at a distance of 1 meter from the speaker. The sensitivity rating of the Sony speakers you have is 87db @ 1 watt/1 meter. When fed just 1 watt your speakers would be as loud as a hairdryer or power head on a sweeper. To determine how loud the speaker would be if fed more wattage you can easily determine by using a simple mathmatical method. For every 3db increase the wattage must double. In order to hit 90db you would need 2 watts, 93db - 4 watts, 96db - 8 watts, 99db - 16 watts, 102db - 32 watts, 105db - 64 watts....etc

So your speakers would probably hit a maximum level of output of around 103 - 105 db depending on the frequency being played which is almost as loud as a chainsaw. If you ran a chainsaw in your apartment I'm pretty sure your neighbors would not appreciate your doing so, so chances are you probably won't be attempting any 50 watt rms scenarios when your neighbors are home anyway.;)

There are some very nice options in the sub-$200 range for speakers. I suggest you have a listen to Klipsch and consider BIC speakers if you like your "highs". Both manufacturers have a trend of producing naturally bright sounding speakers that would probably be music to your ears.

Upgrading to another receiver will not make your speakers sound any better unless something is terribly wrong with your current receiver (like loud humming through speakers when no music is being played, over heats, has functions that don't work ....etc).
 
Evildude

Evildude

Audioholic Intern
Great, first of all let me thank you for your civilized and very helpful reply.
Ok I understand there is no need to use too much treble, cause that wasn't the way the music was intended to sound like..

I mainly listen to heavy metal/rock and some electronic music and Im not that obsessed with bass drive, is there anything I can do to reduce the treble lvl and still have the crisp and clear sound without damaging my speakers?
How would you set up the 10 band EQ in this case?
again I just want your opinion.

Thank you.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Great, first of all let me thank you for your civilized and very helpful reply.
Ok I understand there is no need to use too much treble, cause that wasn't the way the music was intended to sound like..

I mainly listen to heavy metal/rock and some electronic music and Im not that obsessed with bass drive, is there anything I can do to reduce the treble lvl and still have the crisp and clear sound without damaging my speakers?
How would you set up the 10 band EQ in this case?
again I just want your opinion.

Thank you.
EQs are simple and easy to operate, one just needs to have a basic understanding on how audio works. The average human can hear frequencies ranging from 20hz - 20,000hz. The lower the hz are the lower the sound is. Tweeters obviously produce higher frequencies and woofers/midbass drivers produce the lower ones. An EQ gives you control of the output of certain frequency sections. If you look on the EQ to the far right you will most likely see the 16khz level adjustment (16khz means 16,000hz). This is the upper end of the audio spectrum. By raising that level you thereby increase that region of frequencies, and if you lower it it will decrease. Since analog EQs can only have so many level adjustments it actually "humps"/"dips" or creates a frequency hump or valley (this depends on whether you are increasing or decreasing the level). If the level is set in the middle the signal will be flat. If you increase the 16khz level then 16khz would be the pinnacle frequency and surrounding frequencies will go up with it but at a lesser amount as the frequency becomes more distant from the pinnacle frequency being adjusted.

I borrowed an image of a graph as an example.



In the graph you can see the vertical side of the graph is decibels, so the higher on the graph you are the higher the decibels are. On the horizontal side of the graph it shows a range of frequencies from 10hz - 1000hz. It's obviously not the entire hearing spectrum but it shows the meaning just the same. If you look at the blue line on the graph you can see that it has a hump. It rises and falls with the same patern it would if an EQ was in affect. As you can see 45hz is approximately the pinnacle of the graph. If what is shown by the blue line on this graph is an affect from an EQ being adjusted to increase that frequency you can also see that the frequencies in the front and rear of it are also increased

For your personal tastes you might want to decrease some of the 5khz and below and maybe slightly increase the higher frequencies. I would play around with it a bit to see what you can get out of it. I just hope you understand that if you don't get a satisfactory sound by using the EQ that you shouldn't blame the receiver or the EQ. The speakers are the obvious limitation in this circumstance, as could be their configuration in your room. Speakers interact with room acoustics much more than they do with electronics. Once you have power enough to drive the speakers without clipping (amplifier distortion) then the rest hinges on the speakers and the environment in which they are used. You should do some reading on loudspeaker positioning and go out and listen to some speakers where ever you can.:)
 
just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
get some good speakers man. then you will get the sound you want. those little sonys are almost junk, when new. in my garage, i have a 100wpc el cheapo pioneer reciever. with 2 12" 3way KLH speakers. on craigslist, this would be a $100 setup. AND IT FOCKING ROCKS !!! i blast the living crap out of it !!!

i listen to what "I" call heavy metal. the original "HEAVY METAL" . MOTLEY CRUE, BLACK SABBATH, RATT, old AEROSMITH, etc
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
cause that wasn't the way the music was intended to sound like..
You make a very good point in your own words. Let me tell you why.

The parts of a sound system that do the least to alter the original recording are your corded components. CD players, receivers, amplifiers, cables, speaker wires, and computers are the first stages in a complete audio system. All those parts work together to achieve the goal of presenting the original recording as it was intended. Each one of those components has very little to do with how the recording "sounds" Those parts are meant to be transparent. Transparent means having no audible affect on the sound. The music itself is a key element in how your system will sound. There are varrying levels of quality in recordings, some are quite good and others astoundingly poor, but there's not much we can do to control what they've already done. Basically you can't fix the media.;)

Speakers and room acoustics are two other major players. So long as power requirements are met then these two things and your preference in music are your only two concerns in terms of sound quality.
 
Evildude

Evildude

Audioholic Intern
Sweet, thanx a lot Seth...I really appreciate your help... :)
 
Evildude

Evildude

Audioholic Intern
get some good speakers man. then you will get the sound you want. those little sonys are almost junk, when new. in my garage, i have a 100wpc el cheapo pioneer reciever. with 2 12" 3way KLH speakers. on craigslist, this would be a $100 setup. AND IT FOCKING ROCKS !!! i blast the living crap out of it !!!

i listen to what "I" call heavy metal. the original "HEAVY METAL" . MOTLEY CRUE, BLACK SABBATH, RATT, old AEROSMITH, etc
Don't forget about AC/DC,Judas Priest and Iron Maiden ;)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Sweet, thanx a lot Seth...I really appreciate your help... :)
Not a problem, and there is nothing wrong with small speakers either.;)

I have a couple pairs of small speakers that sound fantastic. A lot of people rave about these speakers. They are small and look very nice. Cambridge is far more respected in audio than Sony, but that doesn't mean it's better. However, everyone on this site will likely agree that Cambridge is better in most respects concerning audio than Sony.;)

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CAS30 CHE
 
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