The true class of a president...

itschris

itschris

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Bush declined to critique the Obama administration in his first speech since leaving office in January. "I'm not going to spend my time criticizing him. There are plenty of critics in the arena," Bush said. "He deserves my silence."

Bush said he wants Obama to succeed and said it's important that he has that support. "I love my country a lot more than I love politics," Bush said. "I think it is essential that he be helped in office."


Stark contrast to some former Presidents, I'd say. Very much the difference between the love of your country vs the love of the power you have over her.
 
J

JLMEMT

Junior Audioholic
I agree!

No matter what you thought of Bush, or his ideals, I think you would be hard pressed to say he isn't an American.

That is the type of demeanor that is often too absent in politics today!
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
While I have not been a fan of Bush's for quite a while now that's a very respectable statement. All wonderings of who wrote it for him aside, I think it's a good mindset, especially for someone backing out of the political spotlight.

I won't make any particular assumptions of love of country vs love of the power regarding Bush though. He had measures of both, I'm sure.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
While I have not been a fan of Bush's for quite a while now that's a very respectable statement. All wonderings of who wrote it for him aside, I think it's a good mindset, especially for someone backing out of the political spotlight.

I won't make any particular assumptions of love of country vs love of the power regarding Bush though. He had measures of both, I'm sure.
Knowing people who know him, he most often spoke candidly...NOT from scripts and he despised teleprompters... unlike others who's every word is a measured, calculated, rehearsed response based on any number of polls conducted the preceeding day.

Bush was often ridiculed for not being an eloquent speaker. He most often spoke off the cuff... sometimes paid the price for it, but it's one of things I admired about him.
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Oh come on Chris. Bush had one of the lowest approval ratings of all time. If he spent any time criticizing Obama, it would be seen as sour grapes. Of course Bush believes that Obama deserves everyone's help, he's been left with the biggest economical quagmire in U.S. history.

And how can you admire Bush looking like a moron every time he opened his mouth?!?! I cringed every time he made a speech, because he was the face of America. I kept thinking, "Please don't think all Americans are like this guy."

True, it was good of Bush to not criticize Obama. But it was the right thing to do, simple as that.
 
emorphien

emorphien

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Knowing people who know him, he most often spoke candidly...NOT from scripts and he despised teleprompters... unlike others who's every word is a measured, calculated, rehearsed response based on any number of polls conducted the preceeding day.

Bush was often ridiculed for not being an eloquent speaker. He most often spoke off the cuff... sometimes paid the price for it, but it's one of things I admired about him.
Well I did not hear this speech so I don't know how it sounded but Bush has used written scripts even if he doesn't exactly follow them or use them all the time.

Regarding scripted vs unscripted, there's advantages to both and for certain people (ie bush) sticking to a script would probably help various aspects of his image. Obama on the other hand speaks much better off the cuff, however as is not at all uncommon he can sometimes get a little lost on the topic of what he's saying which having a script (or at least an outline) helps with immensely. Imagine a PowerPoint president, speaking candidly off a presentation we could see. That would be different but so many people use those tools incorrectly that I'm not sure it would work that well.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Well I did not hear this speech so I don't know how it sounded but Bush has used written scripts even if he doesn't exactly follow them or use them all the time.

Regarding scripted vs unscripted, there's advantages to both and for certain people (ie bush) sticking to a script would probably help various aspects of his image. Obama on the other hand speaks much better off the cuff, however as is not at all uncommon he can sometimes get a little lost on the topic of what he's saying which having a script (or at least an outline) helps with immensely. Imagine a PowerPoint president, speaking candidly off a presentation we could see. That would be different but so many people use those tools incorrectly that I'm not sure it would work that well.
Obama speaks better off the cuff? C'mon... that's been one of his biggest criticisms. He stammers, hesitates, etc.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Oh come on Chris. Bush had one of the lowest approval ratings of all time. If he spent any time criticizing Obama, it would be seen as sour grapes. Of course Bush believes that Obama deserves everyone's help, he's been left with the biggest economical quagmire in U.S. history.

And how can you admire Bush looking like a moron every time he opened his mouth?!?! I cringed every time he made a speech, because he was the face of America. I kept thinking, "Please don't think all Americans are like this guy."

True, it was good of Bush to not criticize Obama. But it was the right thing to do, simple as that.
This is where you I go wrong.

how can you admire Bush looking like a moron every time he opened his mouth?!?!

The difference between you and I is that regardless of my dislike for someone, or my disagreement with someone, I do my very best not to make silly blanket statements like that. You may disagree with Bush and you're one of the haters... I get all that. Calling our President a moron or suggesting he's a moron, or saying he's always looking like a moron... is that left style rhetoric which just reeks of false pompus arrogance as if you (not you specifically) are somehow privy to some higher understanding and that anyone who disagrees "just doesn't get it" somehow.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Oh come on Chris. Bush had one of the lowest approval ratings of all time. If he spent any time criticizing Obama, it would be seen as sour grapes. Of course Bush believes that Obama deserves everyone's help, he's been left with the biggest economical quagmire in U.S. history.

And how can you admire Bush looking like a moron every time he opened his mouth?!?! I cringed every time he made a speech, because he was the face of America. I kept thinking, "Please don't think all Americans are like this guy."

True, it was good of Bush to not criticize Obama. But it was the right thing to do, simple as that.
But if you are a liberal than you can't honestly assess his speeches. Because your Bias against him prevents you form honestly assessing anything he does.

He wasn't that bad. Obama is just that good. As was Clinton
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Oh come on Chris. Bush had one of the lowest approval ratings of all time. If he spent any time criticizing Obama, it would be seen as sour grapes. Of course Bush believes that Obama deserves everyone's help, he's been left with the biggest economical quagmire in U.S. history.

And how can you admire Bush looking like a moron every time he opened his mouth?!?! I cringed every time he made a speech, because he was the face of America. I kept thinking, "Please don't think all Americans are like this guy."

True, it was good of Bush to not criticize Obama. But it was the right thing to do, simple as that.
Don't even try to make anyone think the media didn't have everything to do with Bush's approval ratings.

BTW- Congress should have spent a little time actually performing their job when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were indicating that a huge meltdown was looming. Barney Frank denied that it would be a crisis and how much responsibility has he taken? None. If his position was held by a Republican, the Democrats would be screaming for his removal, arrest and execution. Franklin Raines is right up there in his responsibility, too. Congress dropped the ball and it's all Bush's fault, yet he would have had little power to get a Democratic Congress to do what he wanted in hte best of times.

You do know that the Democratic Congress is about as mule-like as they come, right? They're far from being interested in what's right for the country and much more attentive to what makes their party look good.

Yeah, Bush screwed up- they all do. Iraq is more of a quagmire than it would have been if Congress hadn't started to micro-manage it.
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
But if you are a liberal than you can't honestly assess his speeches. Because your Bias against him prevents you form honestly assessing anything he does.

He wasn't that bad. Obama is just that good. As was Clinton
Liberal or not...

You can't deny that most of the interviews that he did were painful to watch because you didn't know what made up word was going to come out of his mouth next. This is THE PRESIDENT! He is supposed to be the pinnacle of the American citizen, a leader in EVERY regard. That includes his effectiveness to communicate in a coherent way with others.

I mean I had flash backs from 7th grade impromptu speech class every time he does an interview.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Liberal or not...

You can't deny that most of the interviews that he did were painful to watch because you didn't know what made up word was going to come out of his mouth next. This is THE PRESIDENT! He is supposed to be the pinnacle of the American citizen, a leader in EVERY regard. That includes his effectiveness to communicate in a coherent way with others.

I mean I had flash backs from 7th grade impromptu speech class every time he does an interview.
I thought it was funny, but I guess it's a cultural thing.

Obama is so good I turn him on just to hear his speeches though. Man I would love to listen to one in person from him.
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
Obama speaks better off the cuff? C'mon... that's been one of his biggest criticisms. He stammers, hesitates, etc.
I didn't say he was amazing, but he's better than Bush. He does stammer, umm, hesitate and whatnot but he still manages to pull off sounding more polished, knowledgeable and authoritative than Bush. Content of either ones public speaking aside if you asked me how much each one stumbled Bush was worse. I have different problems listening to both of them. Bush could be hard to understand at times but the worst part was just how bad he was at speaking, conveying power and motivation, and how he seemed to often fail to understand the questions or would give answers that lacked insight. Obama may sound a bit more polished and confident but his content can suffer from similar problems. While he can't talk your ear off without saying nothing like Palin did he can still go on too long while talking around his point without getting to it for a while. And like any president he will deflect questions and answer something else. It makes the debates useless to me for determining much more than their presence and personality.

This is where you I go wrong.

how can you admire Bush looking like a moron every time he opened his mouth?!?!

The difference between you and I is that regardless of my dislike for someone, or my disagreement with someone, I do my very best not to make silly blanket statements like that. You may disagree with Bush and you're one of the haters... I get all that. Calling our President a moron or suggesting he's a moron, or saying he's always looking like a moron... is that left style rhetoric which just reeks of false pompus arrogance as if you (not you specifically) are somehow privy to some higher understanding and that anyone who disagrees "just doesn't get it" somehow.
That's not a tactic reserved for the left so I suggest you avoid making blanket statements as well ;)

Don't even try to make anyone think the media didn't have everything to do with Bush's approval ratings.
The media does a great job of going on about everything, be it Bush's bad speeches or approval ratings or Clinton's infidelity (and subsequent lying which is bad), or Howard Dean's "yell."

Congress dropped the ball and it's all Bush's fault, yet he would have had little power to get a Democratic Congress to do what he wanted in hte best of times.
Two sides to that as well, when Bush has a Congress that backed him it wasn't like things were good either. Both of them screwed us but in different ways. The majority of his time in office he had a Republican Congress.

You do know that the Democratic Congress is about as mule-like as they come, right? They're far from being interested in what's right for the country and much more attentive to what makes their party look good.
This was good for a giggle, thanks. They're all like that though not just the Democrats. I forget who said it but the people you want in politics won't run and the people who want to be in politics are the last you want holding power.

Yeah, Bush screwed up- they all do. Iraq is more of a quagmire than it would have been if Congress hadn't started to micro-manage it.
But it was quite the quagmire and fueled by plenty of misconception before Congress micromanaged it as well.
 
J

JLMEMT

Junior Audioholic
But if you are a liberal than you can't honestly assess his speeches. Because your Bias against him prevents you form honestly assessing anything he does.

He wasn't that bad. Obama is just that good. As was Clinton
I assume you mean good at BS?

I will agree they are both quite good at that. I won't go into what else they have in common.:rolleyes:
 
Shock

Shock

Audioholic General
Obama is so good I turn him on just to hear his speeches though. Man I would love to listen to one in person from him.
You know what they say though....talk is cheap. Unless you're a president....then it costs people $300,000.

zing.
 
Tarub

Tarub

Senior Audioholic
Saying bad things about me?? How about this speech......Im gonna git yo 'll suckah!!!

 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I thought it was funny, but I guess it's a cultural thing.

Obama is so good I turn him on just to hear his speeches though. Man I would love to listen to one in person from him.
He's not that good, though. Only when the teleprompter is on, can he speak with many pauses, cocking his head, raising his index finger and saying "Look". In the spirit of being recorded when he doesn't expect it, I'd like to see him raise his finger and say "Looky here, M*ther ******! Other than the fact that it would offend a certain percentage of the population, I think it would be pretty funny.

Too many people think he's the answer to our problems and I really don't think it's the case. The deficit just went to $11T + and Congress/Obama just don't seem to be reading what they're signing. For someone who said he wants to change from what the government was, signing a bailout bill with 9000+ earmarks isn't a very good way to demonstrate it.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
This was good for a giggle, thanks. They're all like that though not just the Democrats. I forget who said it but the people you want in politics won't run and the people who want to be in politics are the last you want holding power.


But it was quite the quagmire and fueled by plenty of misconception before Congress micromanaged it as well.
The first comment has, sadly, been too true, for too long.

My point was basically that a war can't be micromanaged. That should be left to moms and managers who won't be killed if they take too long to analyze a situation. I know someone who was in Afghanistan for a few months and the de-briefing/Congressional BS took almost as long.

Bush isn't always a great speaker but he has had some good moments. I thought he handled the post 9-11 speaches very well and was well composed (not all, but generally). I hope we don't have to find out how Obama would deal with this kind of thing but now that he ended the program with pilots carrying on flights, we just might.
 
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