to Bi-wire or not

[MrFish]

Hi all

For an equal dollar value am I better to get a cheaper 4 core wire and bi-wire my home theatre rears (wharfdale diamond 9.1) or a better quality 2 core and forget the bi-wiring. Either way the cable will be at the cheaper end of the spectrum as I don't want to spend too much money on cabling for only home theatre surrounds. Already blown my budget on the stereo cables

Thanks for any advice

 

[Djizasse]

Don't waste you time bi-wiring.

 

[Alex2507]

Pretty heavy topic for a first post. I suppose a 'hi guys' and maybe a 'search' was out of the question so I did a search for you and came up with this:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3067164

Every opinion under the sun on "bi-wire" looks like it may have already been stated in those threads. Around here it's generally considered a waste of time and just in case you are not a troll looking to waste everybody else's time, the search results should provide you with the answers you seek.

Happy reading and welcome ... maybe.

 

[jamie2112]

Welcome to the forum. Bi wiring is not going to give you any audible difference in your speakers. I would say don't even waste your time with this. Just my opinion of course.....

 

[jamie2112]

LOL agreed Alex......

 

[Adam]

Something to consider - with the four-core wire, you can always decide to twist two cores together and effectively make it into a two-conductor wire.

Also, the four-core wire gives you the option to expand to more rears (e.g. go from 5.1 to 7.1) in the future.

 

[MrFish]

Thanks, I think

HI GUYS !!

Thanks for your opinions.

Just want to clear this up though. What you are saying is that speaker manufacturers go to the extra lengths and cost to fit two extra termination posts and bridging plates all because it looks good even though they are behind the speakers where you can't see them !!

Man sounds like some weird marketing to me, don't know why they don't just tell us all that single terminantion is best and save them selves the cost and effort and then charge us extra for not having more than two terminantions. Same goes for the reciever/amp manufactures too I guess !!

 

[Adam]

Those extra binding posts are not always pointless, but they are sometimes added just because the manufacturer thinks that customers want/expect them (I was told by one manufacturer that is the only reason that they added them to the speakers that I was considering buying).

You asked about bi-wiring. There is also bi-amping. The benefits of both have been argued on this forum. Some think that they make a difference, some don't.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I LOVE BI-WIRE....

Don't waste you time bi-wiring.

 

[Alex2507]

HI GUYS !!

Thanks for your opinions.

Just want to clear this up though. What you are saying is that speaker manufacturers go to the extra lengths and cost to fit two extra termination posts and bridging plates all because it looks good even though they are behind the speakers where you can't see them !!

Man sounds like some weird marketing to me, don't know why they don't just tell us all that single terminantion is best and save them selves the cost and effort and then charge us extra for not having more than two terminantions. Same goes for the reciever/amp manufactures too I guess !!

Marketing is one reason for the extra binding posts.
I'm gonna sell an amp that goes to 11.

I LOVE BI-WIRE....

We're talking audio here, not that kinky sex crap you get into.

 

[highfigh]

Marketing is one reason for the extra binding posts.
I'm gonna sell an amp that goes to 11.



We're talking audio here, not that kinky sex crap you get into.

One of my guitar amps goes to 12 and I'm going to build one that has one knob that says "MORE".

 

[pzaur]

Hi all

For an equal dollar value am I better to get a cheaper 4 core wire and bi-wire my home theatre rears (wharfdale diamond 9.1) or a better quality 2 core and forget the bi-wiring. Either way the cable will be at the cheaper end of the spectrum as I don't want to spend too much money on cabling for only home theatre surrounds. Already blown my budget on the stereo cables

Thanks for any advice

Just find some in wall rated (or equivalent) speaker cable to use. Don't start spending big bucks on copper. Wire gauge is the important factor, here.

-pat

 

[droht]

I solidly believed all the "bi-wiring is a waste of money" posts, but I got bored over the winter and decided to try it for myself. Now I no longer believe it. I know it. At least for me, my system, and my ears.

BTW, if anyone wants to buy some Signal Cable Ultra bi-wires please let me know. They sound amazing...

 

[mtrycrafts]

I solidly believed all the "bi-wiring is a waste of money" posts, but I got bored over the winter and decided to try it for myself. Now I no longer believe it. I know it. At least for me, my system, and my ears.

BTW, if anyone wants to buy some Signal Cable Ultra bi-wires please let me know. They sound amazing...

Well, I doubt you really 'know' it until you do some credible bias controlled comparison between the two conditions, single or bi. Until then, it is still just self convincing.
So far, there is not one such test to support you.

 

[jonnythan]

HI GUYS !!

Thanks for your opinions.

Just want to clear this up though. What you are saying is that speaker manufacturers go to the extra lengths and cost to fit two extra termination posts and bridging plates all because it looks good even though they are behind the speakers where you can't see them !!

Man sounds like some weird marketing to me, don't know why they don't just tell us all that single terminantion is best and save them selves the cost and effort and then charge us extra for not having more than two terminantions. Same goes for the reciever/amp manufactures too I guess !!

Well, for one thing, people like to think they have a high end product, and if they think bi-wiring helps so be it.

But there is a good reason for the two binding posts: bi-amping. Bi-amping can absolutely produce audible benefits.

 

[droht]

Well, I doubt you really 'know' it until you do some credible bias controlled comparison between the two conditions, single or bi. Until then, it is still just self convincing.
So far, there is not one such test to support you.

If I flip cables back and forth between bis and singles and cannot perceive a difference it is beyond good enough for me. This I know. Not even a tiny reason to spend hours doing ABX listening tests to try to prove to myself that I am right. YMMV, which is cool too.

Are you saying that a real double-blind hasn't been done by someone on this issue?

Oh, are you interested in the Signal Cable bi-wires? Or are you just a provocateur?

 

[lsiberian]

If I flip cables back and forth between bis and singles and cannot perceive a difference it is beyond good enough for me. This I know. Not even a tiny reason to spend hours doing ABX listening tests to try to prove to myself that I am right. YMMV, which is cool too.

Are you saying that a real double-blind hasn't been done by someone on this issue?

Oh, are you interested in the Signal Cable bi-wires? Or are you just a provocateur?

Numerous tests have been done. And no audible difference was discovered.

 

[j_garcia]

Why are there even this many posts on a thread about biwring surround speakers?? THE ANSWER IS NO.

 

[zhimbo]

Folks aren't reading droht very closely, are they?

 

[jonnythan]

Folks aren't reading droht very closely, are they?

No, which is interesting. His words seem pretty clear to me.

He says he knows that bi-wiring does not help.