Help about Akai reel to reel machine.

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Acquaforte

Audiophyte
Hello! I need a bit from help. I know very little of these wonderful machines.

I have possibilities of buying an Akai GX-1900 reel to reel machine.
I want to know if this machine can playback the pre-recorded 4 track consumer tape albums; and 2-track "inline" tape albums. I have several of these tapes and I want to listen to them.


Any type of help I am to them very grateful.

Thanks. Acquaforte.
 
Geno

Geno

Senior Audioholic
You might want to visit the Audio Karma website for this kind of info. They have a huge vintage tape/vinyl forum there.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
It the tapes were commercially available, it should be fine as long as the Akai is stereo. Even if it's not auto-reverse, the tracks are staggered so they're not right next to each other.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Hello! I need a bit from help. I know very little of these wonderful machines.

I have possibilities of buying an Akai GX-1900 reel to reel machine.
I want to know if this machine can playback the pre-recorded 4 track consumer tape albums; and 2-track "inline" tape albums. I have several of these tapes and I want to listen to them.


Any type of help I am to them very grateful.

Thanks. Acquaforte.
Reel to reel machines are not something to venture into unless you know what you are doing.

These machines are now very old, and all if not recently restored, will need it before putting them to use.

I will give you a little history.

Before the stereo LP tape machines were the only way a consumer could hear stereo.

The first machines had spaced heads, staggered head machines. The only problem was there was no standard head spacing, so different machines were required for different brands of tapes. The most popular in the US were RCA tapes, and The Voice of Music Company of Benton Harbor Michigan made machines for these RCA tapes, and later in line machines, and even some that could be switched.

The best US machines were made by Ampex of Opelika Alabama. Another major US manufacturer was Magnacord.

In the UK Brenell had a staggered head machine for a while. The sought after domestic machines in the UK were Brenell, a number of decks built round the Wearite deck, the most famous of which was the British Ferrograph. Most high end systems of the fifties and sixties in the UK contained one or other of these machines.

There were numerous lower end machines, a popular one was Truvox.

There were quite a few European manufacturers, but the most famous, and undoubtedly the best manufacturer of tape recorders of all time was Herr Willi Studer of Switzerland. He made professional machines under the Studer Brand, and semiprofessional machines under the Revox brand. A lot of revox machines were used professionally and were the back bone of radio stations around the world in the pre digital era.

Now back to track and head formats.

The first stereo machines were staggered head, few remain, though there are collectors of Voice of Music machines. I have a few staggered heads, given by owners I have digitally resynchronized the tacks for, to archive to CD and or a two track in line tape.

The next advance was the the in line head, where the track heads are one above the other.

Now machines come in various configurations. There is always an erase head to erase a tape, so it can be recorded again. Usually in cheap and domestic mid price machines, the second head does double duty as the record and play back head. Better machines have separate record and play back heads. This allows for off tape monitoring, in addition tape head gap widths can be optimized.

Now these machines were two track and the tape played in one direction only, and tapes should be stored tailed out to prevent print through.

Tape speeds were 1 7/8 speech only, 3 3/4 ips, poor music quality, 7.5 ips quite good and adequate domestic quality. 15 ips excellent quality and allowed for full modulation to 20 kHz without tape saturation. Some professional machines had 30 ips. Only high end domestic machines have 15 ips. These old 7 1/2 ips two track stereo tapes command very high prices on eBay.

In 1959 RCA developed the four track stacked head. This has side one left and right channels on tracks 1 & 3 and the side two on tracks 3 & 4. So the taped play in both directions. However this "advance" came at the expense of downgraded signal to noise ratio and increased distortion from tape saturation. However these tapes swept the the two tracks off the market. Later Dolby B encoding improved performance considerably. A Dolby B decoder is required to play these tapes. There are a few machines mainly some Reovx A77 MK IVs that have built in coder/decoders.

At the end of the reel to reel era Barclay Crocker produced some tapes, mainly from the Decca and Argo catalogs in dbx II code. A dbx II decoder is required to play these and these decoders are very rare. I have a collection of dolby B and dbx II pre recorded tapes, two track and four track tapes.

Now a two track machine will only play two track tapes. A four track machine will only play four track tapes. This is very important for you to understand. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY TWO AND FOUR TRACK TAPES YOU NEED 2 DIFFERENT RECORDERS.

Now in the 70s we had the Japanese onslaught of very inferior machines like the one you are considering. The only Japanese manufacturer to ever produce machines comparable to Western machines was Otari in my view.

We have suffered under an onslaught of Far Eastern Junk, ever since that period, and had to make do with a lot of product that is not as good as it could be. Now we are in a financial pickle in which this is a big contributing factor.

Now the machine you are considering is a combination reel to reel machine and cassette machine. It is belt drive. Those machines in my view never achieved true Hi-Fi performance.

Now all reel to reel machines are very old and need thorough restoration. Tape machines are very complicated mechanically and electronically. I don't know how you are coming by that machine, but eBay prices are over inflated. That machine is worth a max of $100 unless recently restored.

The best machines to go after are the Revox machines. These are three head with direct capstan servo drive, and have fantastic speed stability. It is speed stability (wow and flutter) that is one of the biggest Achilles heels of tape recorders. Constantly have to set head alignment is the other.

Here is view of my machines.



If you click on the link below, you can get to an album and see more detailed views. The Revox A700 and the Brenell Mk 6, a very rare machine, I have had since new, and kept them carefully maintained. The Brenell machine was built specially for me, and has four heads. It has a fourth head that is a four track play back head. So the machine can play and record two track stereo, but also play back four track tapes. The Revox A 77 recorders are restorations. Two of them were as extensive as you can get.

One other issue. You will not be able to record on the machine you are considering as tapes for that machine are not manufactured. ATR are making tapes again, but not with a bias characteristic that would be in reach of that machine.

If you want something better after reading this, I have a couple of A77 standard speed two track machines that I can restore. I have a very nice Revox B 77 four track that needs restoration. I have an A 77 four track head block and boards, that would allow me to convert one of the A77s to four track. One A 77 is a Mk III and the other a MK IV. If you are really interested in becoming a dedicated reeler, then I could restore one or two machines for you. A machine never leaves my shop that does not meet or exceed manufacturers specifications. I stopped working on Far Eastern machines some time ago, as they are thrown together and a misery. Revox machines are a pleasure to work on.

I have had the dbx one and two decoders since new. The Advent Dolby B unit was a restoration project. The Dolby A units were eBay acquisitions.

I hope this information helps you.
 
A

Acquaforte

Audiophyte
Thank You a lot!! Your information left me the clear things. I believe that I am going to desist from entering this world. I explain to you: I live in Uruguay, here it is very difficult to obtain suitable people to restore this machines. The money that I have only allows me to buy this type of machines (Not the really good ones). Besides the Akai, I have possibility of buying other one, a National model RS-766US. But I believe that it is of worse quality that the Akai.I will continue thinking what to do. But I believe that the best is to desist, (at least for the present). Thank You again!!
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Thank You a lot!! Your information left me the clear things. I believe that I am going to desist from entering this world. I explain to you: I live in Uruguay, here it is very difficult to obtain suitable people to restore this machines. The money that I have only allows me to buy this type of machines (Not the really good ones). Besides the Akai, I have possibility of buying other one, a National model RS-766US. But I believe that it is of worse quality that the Akai.I will continue thinking what to do. But I believe that the best is to desist, (at least for the present). Thank You again!!
How many tapes do you have? Is the music, I suppose, not available any other mediums now?
Perhaps someone can make a copy of what you have onto a CD, unless you have many tapes? Might be cheaper in the long run and less headaches.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Thank You a lot!! Your information left me the clear things. I believe that I am going to desist from entering this world. I explain to you: I live in Uruguay, here it is very difficult to obtain suitable people to restore this machines. The money that I have only allows me to buy this type of machines (Not the really good ones). Besides the Akai, I have possibility of buying other one, a National model RS-766US. But I believe that it is of worse quality that the Akai.I will continue thinking what to do. But I believe that the best is to desist, (at least for the present). Thank You again!!
I had no idea you live in Uruguay. This leads me to another complication of the reel to reel era. Tape, like LP, is recorded with an HF pre emphasis and de emphasis on playback. This is to help mask tape hiss and improve signal to noise, just like the RIAA curve for LP. There is increased pre emphasis as slower speeds are selected, which exacerbates tape saturation with slower tape speeds. However unlike the RIAA curve different countries and regions had different pre/de-emphasis curves!

The UK had CCIR. Continental Europe has IEEC/DIN and so does the UK now. CCIR and DIN are quite close. North America has NAB equalization, which is significantly different from CCIR/IEEC/DIN. Therefore tapes for the UK/European market are not compatible with machines for the North American market and vice versa. I have no idea what equalization curves Uruguay adheres to.

I note one error in my previous post. The four track stereo tracks are side 1 tracks 1 & 3, side 2 tracks 2 & 4, not 3 & 4.

Now I assumed you were considering exploring the world of vintage open reel tapes. However if you have tapes you would like to play, I would be happy to archive them for you and transfer them to CD.

My little studio on Benedict like is one of the most comprehensive two channel stereo archiving studios in the world, and likely has the best monitoring facilities. I archive in WaveLab 6, which can master CDs to Red Book specification. The DAC is the RME Fireface 800. This, in combination with WaveLab 6 is regarded as one of the very best mastering combinations available. The burner/drive in my work station is a professional Plextor drive, which burns very high quality CDs. The tape equipment is kept in precise calibration.

If there is musical material you have in your possession you want to play, I would be happy to make it available to you.

I just had the impression that you were one of quite a few that want to get into the reel to reel arena.

If and when you want to explore this medium, I would be happy to make a fully restored and calibrated machine available to you. The Revox A 77s are very compact, and should not break the bank to ship to Uruguay. Good machines like that are capable of quite astonishing fidelity, especially the two tracks or four tracks with Dolby B. The Revox power transformer can be set to any power system on the globe. The a 77 does not care if the supply is 50 or 60 Hz, since the capstan motor is driven from a square wave oscillator. A Hall effect tachometer drives a feedback loop to the oscillator to keep speeds very constant, so the capstan motor is not driven from the household mains supply.

The reel to reel recorder still survives in a lot of professional studios. As far as classical recording goes, I'm not aware of any recordings being done on analog tape. However there are a number of pop artists that will only record on analog tape, Madonna and Elton John to name two.

ATR Services Inc. supply refurbished and reworked Ampex and Studer machines to studios world wide, and now also produce the magnetic tape.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
How many tapes do you have? Is the music, I suppose, not available any other mediums now?
Perhaps someone can make a copy of what you have onto a CD, unless you have many tapes? Might be cheaper in the long run and less headaches.
The headaches are the challenge. There are quite a few devoted reel to reel fans who enjoy preserving these vintage machines. It is thrill to hear these machines produce such outstanding fidelity.

I personally favor vintage turntables. Playing vinyl on vintage machines is very nostalgic, a couple of my turntables are a half century old now. Unless the West can get back to this high standard of manufacture, we are destined to be third world. When I use those old tape machines, vintage turntables, or move mounds of snow with my 61 year old John Deere tractor, I'm reminded how low we have sunk. Unfortunately we have replaced inspired design, superb machining and manufacture, with hubris ans self delusion. We deserve to go broke, and will, if we don't put our shoulders to the wheel again.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
If I may add my two cents. Hope this wasn't already mentioned; I just quickly read through the posts.

These vintage machines have many power relays inside.
Over time arcing, dust, corrosion, deteriorate the contact surfaces of the relays moving contacts. (especially if they weren't gold plated contacts)
When you consider fifteen, or more relays, and the parts and labor. Pretty soon you're talking lots of time and money.
As TLS mentioned, there are just too many parts that wear out, and are hard to find replacements.

PS... Is that Akai the one with the built in cassette deck?
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
If I may add my two cents. Hope this wasn't already mentioned; I just quickly read through the posts.

These vintage machines have many power relays inside.
Over time arcing, dust, corrosion, deteriorate the contact surfaces of the relays moving contacts. (especially if they weren't gold plated contacts)
When you consider fifteen, or more relays, and the parts and labor. Pretty soon you're talking lots of time and money.
As TLS mentioned, there are just too many parts that wear out, and are hard to find replacements.

PS... Is that Akai the one with the built in cassette deck?
Yes it is.



Your observations are on target. The Revox A 77 are a good bet. There were a huge number made and parts are plentiful. The relays which are very high quality are on one board. The only issue is with the mark IVs that have a couple of integrated circuits on the capstan pulse generator board, which are NLA. Those are the only integrated circuits in any A 77. You can retrofit to use boards from MK 1 through MK 3.

For someone wanting to get into the reel to reel scene, I think the Revox A 77 is the one to go for by miles.
 
A

Acquaforte

Audiophyte
Thanks to everybody for the help!!
TLS Guy: You right, beyond the musical value of the tapes that I have, I want to enter to the arena of the open reel. When I comes to the 5 posts, I will send 3 photos of the machines that I have possibility to buy (Akai, National) and a Fostex model 20; of this one, already I know that I cannot reproduce the tapes 4-track stereo, since is 2-track. The national has good visual condition, but I believe that of low quality that the Akai.
Rickster71: Yes, the akai is the one that has the cassette deck.
 
Phil Taylor

Phil Taylor

Senior Audioholic
Just an incredible and thorough amount of information there from TLS Guy - WOW! I admire the info as I used to have a TEAC-Tascam half-track master deck and I swear it made my LP transfers sound better on playback. Possibly from no resonance from the turntable - whatever the case it was a wonderful deck and I hated to part with it so many years ago. This thread makes me wish I would have kept it. :eek:
 

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