How well does Denon upscaling work

[dc6]

I was just wondering what the upscaling picture quality was like on the Denon 789 or 989 was like on regular dvd's.I have an old yamaha receiver and would like to upgrade soon.My tv only has one dvi input and I am thinking when I upgrade if I should go with a switcher like the oppo hm-31 or go with a receiver like the 989 that has hdmi switching?Any suggestions would be very helpful

 

[jostenmeat]

I would not even be bothered to care about VP in a receiver until you can afford at least Reon, Realta, or Anchor Bay. IOW, $1k and up. And even then, its quite plausible that your display does just as good of a job, or that's its so close that its basically wasted money.

If you are truly serious about VP, you need, well, an outboard video processor. The most affordable yet still effective unit is pretty new, called the DVDO Edge (uses Anchor Bay).

 

[MatthewB.]

I have the Denon 3808ci and I was amazed at how weel the Fouridija cleaned up my image on my plasma. Even my HD signals which I thought looked great, looked even sharper when I turned on the upscaling feature. Granted it's not an Anchor Bay or Reon, but it still does a better job than nothing.

 

[rnatalli]

I think I recall that the Yamaha 663 uses an Anchor Bay chip for VP. I could be wrong, but worth checking if upscaling is that important to you.

 

[Soundman]

I think I recall that the Yamaha 663 uses an Anchor Bay chip for VP. I could be wrong, but worth checking if upscaling is that important to you.

Can anyone veryify this? If the Yammy's are really that good, I may pick one up. Also, as long as we're on the subject, how good is the 663 at room correction? I don't see Aydessey in the specs, it looks like it uses something else?

 

[MatthewB.]

Soundman, Yammies use something called YPAO (same principle) Pioneer uses MCCAC but they are both the same as Audyysey just different parameters to their respective setups. I never was a fan of Yammies though for their power specs when bench tested.

 

[jostenmeat]

I think I recall that the Yamaha 663 uses an Anchor Bay chip for VP.

I highly doubt it. I believe Yammy uses Anchor in higher end models. Please correct me here, I'd be surprised.

Soundman, Yammies use something called YPAO (same principle) Pioneer uses MCCAC but they are both the same as Audyysey just different parameters to their respective setups.

Uh. Not really the same principle (time domain, and not just freq correction for the latter two). Also, people like to call Audyssey as Audyssey, but the fact is that they make many products (unlike YPAO or MCAAC).

 

[Soundman]

I highly doubt it. I believe Yammy uses Anchor in higher end models. Please correct me here, I'd be surprised.



Uh. Not really the same principle (time domain, and not just freq correction for the latter two). Also, people like to call Audyssey as Audyssey, but the fact is that they make many products (unlike YPAO or MCAAC).

So, which one works the best? I've heard some room correction setups that weren't that great, but the Audyssey seems to have really improved and has a good reputation right now.

 

[jostenmeat]

So, which one works the best?

I don't think anyone can answer that. Seriously, have you ever seen a controlled test, comparing Audyssey 2eq vs multeq vs multeq xt vs pro vs mcaac vs ypao vs seq vs trinnov vs etc etc etc?

There are a lot of viewpoints.

Trinnov can have upper register correction defeated, IIRC at over 300hz.

MCAAC can have EQ adjusted to personal preference post-calibration.

Audyssey makes many products. Of course I expect their stand alone $2,000 SEQ to be a bit better than YPAO.

People lump Audyssey altogether, yet I can name at least 7 products they make off the top of my head.

I've heard some room correction setups that weren't that great, but the Audyssey seems to have really improved and has a good reputation right now.

Yes... so IMO, totally subjectively, without any comparison whatsoever against other RC products.... the XT I have is easily the greatest feature of my receiver/pre outside of the bare bones pre/pro + amp sections.

 

[Soundman]

I don't think anyone can answer that. Seriously, have you ever seen a controlled test, comparing Audyssey 2eq vs multeq vs multeq xt vs pro vs mcaac vs ypao vs seq vs trinnov vs etc etc etc?

There are a lot of viewpoints.

Trinnov can have upper register correction defeated, IIRC at over 300hz.

MCAAC can have EQ adjusted to personal preference post-calibration.

Audyssey makes many products. Of course I expect their stand alone $2,000 SEQ to be a bit better than YPAO.

People lump Audyssey altogether, yet I can name at least 7 products they make off the top of my head.


Yes... so IMO, totally subjectively, without any comparison whatsoever against other RC products.... the XT I have is easily the greatest feature of my receiver/pre outside of the bare bones pre/pro + amp sections.

OK, good point. I was thinking about doing something different since my current pre/pro doesn't really have any room correction feature to speak of. I don't really care about the amp section since I have a separate amp anyway. Just care about processing features and connectivity options.

 

[rnatalli]

I've heard YPAO, Audyssey, MCCAC, and HK's system. I don't like how any of them work. I guess I like colored sound.

 

[rnatalli]

I highly doubt it. I believe Yammy uses Anchor in higher end models. Please correct me here, I'd be surprised.

I could be forgetting what I heard. It might have been the 863 using a version of the Anchor Bay.

 

[pzaur]

Yamaha 663 only has pass-through. No video processing. It will send specific video formats through HDMI, too, but not all. No upscaling of formats. The chip might also be from Anchor Bay, but it has no whistles or bells.

Yamaha 863 has video processing functions with an Anchor Bay chip.

AVR list with their processor

-pat

 

[bandphan]

OK, good point. I was thinking about doing something different since my current pre/pro doesn't really have any room correction feature to speak of. I don't really care about the amp section since I have a separate amp anyway. Just care about processing features and connectivity options.

Aud seems to offer a broader range of filters and imo is better than the other offerings. Pioneers offerings does well but the sub crossover is limited and at least for me yamahas offering has been up and down. There are a couple of stand alone products that perform very well, with real time being the limation. Look for some mid year releases of affordable stand alones.

 

[jostenmeat]

Pioneers offerings does well but the sub crossover is limited ...

Thanks for jogging my memory. I now recall that MCAAC doesn't correct below 63 hz. OTOH, the biggest difference between XT and nonXT versions of multEQ lies in the sub's range. Also, I've read that its with XT and Pro versions where multiple target curves can be had with receivers/prepros.

As for the stand-alones, they can't get here fast enough!!!

 

[billy p]

I just switched to a Yamaha htr 6190( same as rvx 1800 w/o second zone remote) and feel it does an excellent job with upscaling any incoming signal and sending out via hdmi. As for using YPAO, I found it did some things well and other not so well. Basically IMO it was accurate for setting speaker distance, in room response and EQ parameters but it set all my speaker to large and established the x-over at 40hz. Needless to say, after some alterations everything sounds and looks great.