Question about "power conditioners"......

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rh1530

Audioholic Intern
Home Theater Surge Suppressor, Power Conditioner

Hi,

I may have what your looking for, assuming that you have not purchased a unit already. I have 2 units; this is a extra unit that I decided I won't be needing.



Philips Theatre Director Model SPB4230WA - New in box!!

* 12 outlets, Up to 65dB noise filtering
* Automatic Voltage Regulation
* UPS Battery Back-up 1000VA capacity
* 4 sets of coaxial line surge protection
* Spike Suppression- 5100 joules

Price: $350.00
Price includes shipping to anywhere in continental US

I live in Coram, NY ( Long Island) - Bob

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tattoo_Dan

tattoo_Dan

Banned
I bought a monster conditioner from BB myself. Personally it made a difference in my picture, by a lot honestly. But its up to you, many don't believe in them.
did it make that difference on the power side ? or the coax side?
are you talking about cable tv ? or DVD or all sources ?
 
Cpt.America

Cpt.America

Full Audioholic
While I think power conditions are usually a complete waste of money, I will highly disagree with a UPS. Losing power altogether in an instant can damage electronic equipment. Having the UPS in place, giving you time to properly shut down your equipment, is very usefull. I have a powercom 1500va UPS running my AVR, TV, Sub, and PS3, and i got it for something like $140 from monoprice. Good deal, works well.
 
Votrax

Votrax

Audioholic
While I think power conditions are usually a complete waste of money, I will highly disagree with a UPS. Losing power altogether in an instant can damage electronic equipment. Having the UPS in place, giving you time to properly shut down your equipment, is very usefull. I have a powercom 1500va UPS running my AVR, TV, Sub, and PS3, and i got it for something like $140 from monoprice. Good deal, works well.
I agree with using a UPS. Usually equipment fails with an abrupt power down. Unless you have large swings in your line voltage a power conditioner is useless. The power inside equipment is stepped down with a transformer and then rectified and filtered to DC and usually include solid state regulators which aren't affected by small voltage swings.
 
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lukejr

Enthusiast
I have to jump in and say that while power conditioners DO make a difference, many people won't notice this difference because their music system can't pick up subtle difference to begin with. As a general rule, if you have a system that is under $1000, you likely will not get the benefit with a power conditioner (at $200).

People seem to expect their $500 home theatre in a box would magically sound 10% better, however these people would likely be disappointed. They may feel what they bought is an over glorified surge protector, when in fact it's not. It does work, their system just can't resolve the difference. Also, even with expensive systems, the difference in sound quality may be subtle to the casual listener, but those who are discerning would notice the difference immediately. I'd say sound quality improvements one might expect would be in the 4-5% range.

I recently got a Monster HTS 1000 power conditioner, and was open to anything that might happen. If it didn't work it goes back to the store. Hence I wasn't trying to justify a purchase. Anyways, I did extensive auditioning of several CDs going back and forth several times using the HTS1000 and a regular power strip. The sound quality differences with the Monster is pretty apparent.

My notes on the benefits of plugging my system through the HTS1000 are below.
1) music has more impact.
2) greater see through transparency and detail.
3) more SPACE between instruments (i.e. instruments did not sound mashed together resulting in flat sound as was before)
4) bass is tighter and has more punch
5) hear greater subtlety in vocals, and cleaner sounding

Those who criticise Monster products or power conditioners in general would say I'm just "hearing things." Whatever makes them feel better. I couldn't care less. I'm not promoting this particular product.. but I do have to point out that many people do hear improvements with power conditioners. Certainly this is not mass halucination.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
Power conditioners are only meant to smooth out a home's distributed power when it is full of pos/neg spikes. I've seen them make a difference in the sound for expensive equipment that was installed in very old homes. Other than that, even on some high end B&W stuff I've seen, they make no difference whatsoever.

Also, to address the conditioner vs "strip" arguments, a cheapy power strip from Radio Shmuck might be what's introducing noise into your power to begin with! Metered testing I've seen firsthand showed that the crap you buy at B&Ms like that for low $s tend to be built from crappy materials with inferior conductors and shoddy shielding. The power from the direct outlet turned out to be cleaner than that coming from your typical $20 strip.

My Powerbar 2100 certainly puts out a cleaner signal than $20-40 strips I've gotten from Costco and Radio Shmuck. I also got the Powerbar for free during a Monster training for the B&M I worked for years ago, and I would not have spent $200 on the improvement I saw without having a $1k+ audio system.

Rule of thumb? Check out your power distribution from your main breaker box before bothering with something like that. 99 times out of 100, it's 100% useless. And stay away from budget bin sh*t from your local B&M if you're pushing good equipment, or you'll think things like conditioners are beanstalk beans.
 
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ahender

Audioholic Intern
A good UPS is the way to go.

I have pretty much always used one with my computer and it is surprising how many times it is activated due to brownouts and the power cycling off and on.

alan
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
I own Monster Voltage Regulators and a 3600 surge surpressor and I also own Tripplite voltage regulators and Tripplite isobars. Only difference is the Monster brand cost me 10X what the Tripplite did and they both do an excellant job at what they were designed for. Save your money and go with Tripplite (although not as pretty as Monster) they do the exact same thing.

I did notice with the Monster VR that it improved bass response in sound with power hungry amps, and that was about it. But if you don't have power problems then a simple 70.00 Tripplite Isobar will work wonders for you and actually has a higher clamping on voltage than the Monster does.

That and Tripplite isnt a douchebag company like the big M is with suing everybody.
 
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