best video processor?

[mnatiq]

heard alot about the new video processors. which is the best?

 

[Chopin_Guy]

The generally regarded best video processor is the Silicon Optix Realta HQV that can be had in the higher end Onkyo receivers the Denon AVR-5308ci and their high-end pre=pro the AVP-A1HDCI. But also the Anchor Bay technology found in the Marantz seperate pre-pro the AV8003 is also supposed to be an excellent performer....(I see you have the TX-SR806 but this is found in the 875/876 and up to the 905/906)

Also many people prefer that their players do this job rather than the AVR as I have been told by several members previously....but this can be a great solution for say SD cable or using with an older SD DVD player....

 

[bandphan]

Are we talking about stand alone I would get a display that can handle the processing

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The Onkyo flagship receivers have the Silicon Optix REON, which is also excellent.

The Flagship Silicon Optix chip is the REALTA, which is in the Denon AVR-5308CI, AVP-A1HDCI, DVD-3800BDCI, DVD-5910CI, and DVD-3930CI.

The Gennum VXP chip is also very highly regarded. It is in the $20K Marantz projectors, Optoma HD81-LV projector, and the flagship JVC projectors as well.

 

[ThA tRiXtA]

So in the case of the higher quality Onkyo receivers why would I want my display to do the upconversion or video processing as opposed to a top notch video processor onboard the AVR itself?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

So in the case of the higher quality Onkyo receivers why would I want my display to do the upconversion or video processing as opposed to a top notch video processor onboard the AVR itself?

I would not.

I would let the Onkyo's REON do the 1080p upscaling.

...Unless your Display has the even higher-end REALTA or GENNUM VXP.

 

[jostenmeat]

heard alot about the new video processors. which is the best?

The people who care about their video first and foremost buy outboard devices. The Lumagen Radiance XD is a pretty popular item in the hi-end PJ forums.

Got $4,000?

 

[ThA tRiXtA]

The manual for my Onkyo TX-SR875 that I got last night states something along the lines of "For optimal video performance, THX recommends that video signals pass through the system without upconversion..."

I understand that the THX recommendations aren't always written in stone, but this isn't the first time I have heard that upconverting a lesser resolution source into a 720p or 1080i/p signal is not always desirable... can anyone shed a little more light on that for me? I could understand not going from 1080i and deinterlacing it into 1080p but say going from say a 480p DVD to a higher resolution? Why not?

Thanks in advance.

 

[jostenmeat]

Yeah that's strange Trixta.

Well, your display will scale already for itself, assuming it can accept any particular input.

Also, I believe onkyo's will not scale HDMI inputs, but only component connections anyways.

As for deinterlacing or not, I suppose its always best to feed the display what is closet to native. If you had an Hitachi for example, those are 1080i displays.

However, its deinterlacing that's trickier than scaling. For the first is dealing with separate points in time, and trying to get them as "one". Or something to that extent.

 

[ThA tRiXtA]

Thanks Josten for the reply.

 

[bandphan]

So in the case of the higher quality Onkyo receivers why would I want my display to do the upconversion or video processing as opposed to a top notch video processor onboard the AVR itself?

It really depends on the display, and exactly which avrs?

I would not.

I would let the Onkyo's REON do the 1080p upscaling.

...Unless your Display has the even higher-end REALTA or GENNUM VXP.

Id rather pass 480i to my display then add processing from any avr under 5k

 

[ThA tRiXtA]

It really depends on the display, and exactly which avrs?

I'm hoping to get either the Pioneer 6020FD or the 151FD, and if they are too pricey I guess the Panasonic 58". I already have the receiver, it's the Onkyo TX SR875... I wasn't aware TV's nowadays do full upconversion as well?

Id rather pass 480i to my display then add processing from any avr under 5k

Really? Wow, that's quite the high standard. I can't comment other than that, off the top of my head I couldn't even name a receiver worth more than 5k not including taxes

Can you please break it down for me why upconverting DVD resolution is undesirable? Basically you are saying is any and all upconversion of any nature is degrading the quality/integrity of the picture?

Thank you.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It really depends on the display, and exactly which avrs?

Sure, I would agree with that.

If I had a $5K Display that has a Reon, Realta, or Gennum VXP, and a $1K receiver that has a REON, I would let the Display do the Video Processing.

If I had a $5K Display that has Faroudja Video and a $1K Receiver that has a REON video chip, I would let the $1K Receiver do the video processing.

 

[Davemcc]

The manual for my Onkyo TX-SR875 that I got last night states something along the lines of "For optimal video performance, THX recommends that video signals pass through the system without upconversion..."

I understand that the THX recommendations aren't always written in stone, but this isn't the first time I have heard that upconverting a lesser resolution source into a 720p or 1080i/p signal is not always desirable... can anyone shed a little more light on that for me? I could understand not going from 1080i and deinterlacing it into 1080p but say going from say a 480p DVD to a higher resolution? Why not?

Thanks in advance.

Oddly enough, this is the conclusion that I came to after playing with the resolution settings on my Integra. I feed it the highest resolution from the sources I have and let it pass through the Integra. Despite having the Reon not do any processing, my video quality is sooooooo much better than when I was switching with my Denon receiver. Maybe it's just that sometimes what you DON'T do to the signal as it passes through a component matters as well.

 

[ThA tRiXtA]

So you're saying doing nothing whatsoever to the signal with your Integra was leaps and bounds better than altering the signal with your Denon? Even with low res sources say like sd cable or 480i/p DVD output?

Might you have any conclusions as to why that is? I'm interested in why all the receivers are jumping on the upconversion bandwagon if all the people who truly care about video quality avoid it like the plague.

Thanks for the reply Dave

 

[Davemcc]

So you're saying doing nothing whatsoever to the signal with your Integra was leaps and bounds better than altering the signal with your Denon? Even with low res sources say like sd cable or 480i/p DVD output?

Might you have any conclusions as to why that is? I'm interested in why all the receivers are jumping on the upconversion bandwagon if all the people who truly care about video quality avoid it like the plague.

Thanks for the reply Dave

My Denon was a 2307CI. It didn't do any processing but I was using an Algolith Flea for MN and BAR processing on the sat signal. Yet, when I made the switch to the Integra, SD video was very much better. HD video marginally better. When I set output resolution to 1080P, HD video picked up an ever so slight grain to it. Back to back comparing resolutions, I decided that the tiny little incremental gain I found in the pass-through mode was the way to go. I would still be happy with either of those output resolutions when compared to the image quality of the Denon it replaced, even with the outboard processor. I haven't tried the Flea with the Integra. I haven't felt any need to improve the image any further than what it is right now.