Panny BD35 or the BD55?

[jostenmeat]

Assuming that the BD-35 is setup correctly, I can only imagine it being due to the settings of your 9.8.

Other very simple assumptions I make are that you are choosing the right codec on the disc itself, and that HDMI is the only connection from BD-35 to 9.8.

The fact you get 2.0 PCM is strange. That can happen with "lossless" thru SPDIF, or maybe that has something to do with the "PCM downmixing off" setting I referred to??

It should be PnP. I was actually kinda shocked how easy it was when I first got my BDP and HD-DVD players. Setup was about 2 minutes each is my guess.

I am starting to fear hardware issues somewhere, whether player or pre/pro, but report back on "PCM downconversion" in BD35 and other settings within Integra. Try a different disc outside of Sunshine to be sure as well.

Sorry for your troubles!

 

[speakerman39]

Assuming that the BD-35 is setup correctly, I can only imagine it being due to the settings of your 9.8.

Other very simple assumptions I make are that you are choosing the right codec on the disc itself, and that HDMI is the only connection from BD-35 to 9.8.

The fact you get 2.0 PCM is strange. That can happen with "lossless" thru SPDIF, or maybe that has something to do with the "PCM downmixing off" setting I referred to??

It should be PnP. I was actually kinda shocked how easy it was when I first got my BDP and HD-DVD players. Setup was about 2 minutes each is my guess.

I am starting to fear hardware issues somewhere, whether player or pre/pro, but report back on "PCM downconversion" in BD35 and other settings within Integra. Try a different disc outside of Sunshine to be sure as well.

Sorry for your troubles!

Dang Jost, you are the man! How did you learn all of this? Guess, I have a way to go just yet!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Davemcc]

Assuming that the BD-35 is setup correctly, I can only imagine it being due to the settings of your 9.8.

Other very simple assumptions I make are that you are choosing the right codec on the disc itself, and that HDMI is the only connection from BD-35 to 9.8.

The fact you get 2.0 PCM is strange. That can happen with "lossless" thru SPDIF, or maybe that has something to do with the "PCM downmixing off" setting I referred to??

It should be PnP. I was actually kinda shocked how easy it was when I first got my BDP and HD-DVD players. Setup was about 2 minutes each is my guess.

I am starting to fear hardware issues somewhere, whether player or pre/pro, but report back on "PCM downconversion" in BD35 and other settings within Integra. Try a different disc outside of Sunshine to be sure as well.

Sorry for your troubles!

The BD35 doesn't have the option of downmixing off. The choices are downmix to stereo or surround encoded. I have it set to surround encoded. But that shouldn't come into play when sending bitstream, should it?

As near as I can tell, the player is doing what it's supposed to. DTS-HD MA is selected in the disc menu and the player claims to be sending a DTS-HD MA signal. The only connection from the player to the Integra is HDMI. Clutching at straws here, could it be my Monoprice cable is a bottleneck? Unlikely but hey, the signal seems to be getting lost between the player and the Integra and their ain't nothing else between them but that cable.

I'm kind of glad to hear that the codec itself is supposed to be PnP but that also means that there is something gone awry over here. I just wish I knew what it was. I think the next step is to swap in a better HDMI cable and if that doesn't work, maybe a call to Integra is in order.

 

[jostenmeat]

Dang Jost, you are the man! How did you learn all of this? Guess, I have a way to go just yet!

Thanks Phil. I was considering typing a really long explanation full of lots of stupid humor, but I want to get to Dave's problem! But the short story is that I know a lot for a layman, but am quite a long ways from a true expert. Which is fine enough with me.

The BD35 doesn't have the option of downmixing off. The choices are downmix to stereo or surround encoded. I have it set to surround encoded. But that shouldn't come into play when sending bitstream, should it?

As near as I can tell, the player is doing what it's supposed to. DTS-HD MA is selected in the disc menu and the player claims to be sending a DTS-HD MA signal. The only connection from the player to the Integra is HDMI. Clutching at straws here, could it be my Monoprice cable is a bottleneck? Unlikely but hey, the signal seems to be getting lost between the player and the Integra and their ain't nothing else between them but that cable.

I'm kind of glad to hear that the codec itself is supposed to be PnP but that also means that there is something gone awry over here. I just wish I knew what it was. I think the next step is to swap in a better HDMI cable and if that doesn't work, maybe a call to Integra is in order.

Dave, I'm presently buried in the AVS Integra 9.8 thread.

secondary audio must be off. check.

*The 9.8 has audio setup for each input. You may have selected DPL IIx for LCPM for one or more inputs; but not for the "xxxx"* (x=PS3, but insert BD-35?).

*will continue to update with new findings . . . taking mini-break. please report.

 

[jostenmeat]

Ok, now I'm in the BD-35 AVS thread. This is most likely totally unrelated: but your display, Toshiba, is 60hz tv? So, 24p is off (default) in player?

Someone was having issue with surround back channels not playing with 7.1 pcm track of 310 to Yuma when 24p was on. Off, it worked fine. Strange.

*keeps digging*

 

[mtrycrafts]

Ok, now I'm in the BD-35 AVS thread. This is most likely totally unrelated: but your display, Toshiba, is 60hz tv? So, 24p is off (default) in player?

Someone was having issue with surround back channels not playing with 7.1 pcm track of 310 to Yuma when 24p was on. Off, it worked fine. Strange.

*keeps digging*

Yep, the simple days of DVD, load and watch, is over.

 

[Davemcc]

Dave, I'm presently buried in the AVS Integra 9.8 thread.

secondary audio must be off. check.

*The 9.8 has audio setup for each input. You may have selected DPL IIx for LCPM for one or more inputs; but not for the "xxxx"* (x=PS3, but insert BD-35?).

*will continue to update with new findings . . . taking mini-break. please report.

Ok, now I'm in the BD-35 AVS thread. This is most likely totally unrelated: but your display, Toshiba, is 60hz tv? So, 24p is off (default) in player?

Someone was having issue with surround back channels not playing with 7.1 pcm track of 310 to Yuma when 24p was on. Off, it worked fine. Strange.

*keeps digging*

Thanks a ton for you your help. In the Integra's source setup menu, the DTS-HD Master Audio setting is set to DTS-HD MSTR. It should, in theory, play that codec and display it on the screen when it receives that signal. I replaced the Sunshine disc with the Chicago/EW&F BD disc and when I bitstream DTS-HD MA, it still shows up as a two channel signal on the Integra display with Dolby Digital also displayed and there is no sound at all.

When I switch the player to PCM, the Integra displays Multichannel with all channels receiving a signal and the audio plays just fine. As far as I can tell, there is no way for me to bitstream the HD codec and have the Integra do the processing. It's either not receiving or not recognizing the codec.

24p is off. I hadn't even found that page of settings until you mentioned that.

Thanks again.

 

[Davemcc]

I think I found the problem. I read several dozen pages over at AVS and located a reference in the Integra thread to something called the DTS Bomb, or Bitstream Bomb. Apparently, the Integra needs a DSP upgrade in order to process DTS. Also not available as a FW update, but a separate update of the DSP that's supposed to be done by an authorized service agent.

Needless to say, I'm pretty upset right now. So much for PnP.

Thanks for the help Josten. That's one heck of a giant thread over there to try and find anything.

 

[Adam]

Apparently, the Integra needs a DSP upgrade in order to process DTS. Also not available as a FW update, but a separate update of the DSP that's supposed to be done by an authorized service agent.

I never saw that coming.

I'd be mad, too!

 

[Davemcc]

I'm checking further. The DTS bomb may be something else entirely. Apparently it refers to a very loud pop, like a gunshot or fireworks, when bitstreaming DTS-HD MA. So I may be no further ahead in trying to bitstream the codec.

It seems I have about 600 pages of related threads to go through over there, but screw it. It's past my bedtime. I'm going to bed.

 

[itschris]

Hey Dave, I have little to offer you help-wise, but have you called Integra yet? I was always under the impression they had great tech support. I'm sure you'll waste some time with them giong through the obvious, but maybe it's something simple you're overlooking or some hidden setting you need.

 

[jostenmeat]

I'm checking further. The DTS bomb may be something else entirely. Apparently it refers to a very loud pop, like a gunshot or fireworks, when bitstreaming DTS-HD MA. So I may be no further ahead in trying to bitstream the codec.

It seems I have about 600 pages of related threads to go through over there, but screw it. It's past my bedtime. I'm going to bed.

True. The "bomb" is a really big bomb, and you would know for sure. FWIW, I have heard of a nightmare story or two in sending the unit in for service. It can take FOREVER.

If we are sure that's a pre/pro issue, I highly encourage you to let your dealer know right now. DEMAND that he swaps a new one for you, and THEN send the old unit in for update, (if necessary). Let him do it, in fact.

Your dealer should agree. It wasn't chump change, the thing should work, and you're a swell guy.

 

[Davemcc]

True. The "bomb" is a really big bomb, and you would know for sure. FWIW, I have heard of a nightmare story or two in sending the unit in for service. It can take FOREVER.

If we are sure that's a pre/pro issue, I highly encourage you to let your dealer know right now. DEMAND that he swaps a new one for you, and THEN send the old unit in for update, (if necessary). Let him do it, in fact.

Your dealer should agree. It wasn't chump change, the thing should work, and you're a swell guy.

I'm in luck there. My dealer actually is the authorized repair center. I'm going to try to set up a time to take the unit in and see if he can make it bitstream HD audio. If he can, I'll tell him that I'll buy whatever player he used to make it happen. If not, he can fix it.

 

[Davemcc]

I ended up speaking with the Integra tech line and spoke to a pretty nice and helpful fellow. He actually had a BD30 on hand to confirm his settings the same as mine. His worked just fine bitstreaming the HD codecs. Also confirmed setup in the processor is correct. Next step, return the BD35 for another player and try again.

Apologies to the OP for hijacking this thread for my own purpose. Even I didn't see that coming. But thanks again to everybody that contributed.

 

[speakerman39]

Update:

Guys, it looks like I am going to order a Panny BD35 BR player. I believe it will suite my needs. Looking forward to getting it. Thanks to everyone here that offered me some outstanding advice. As always, it is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[jostenmeat]

I'm in luck there. My dealer actually is the authorized repair center. I'm going to try to set up a time to take the unit in and see if he can make it bitstream HD audio. If he can, I'll tell him that I'll buy whatever player he used to make it happen. If not, he can fix it.

You are more fortunate than you realize!

I ended up speaking with the Integra tech line and spoke to a pretty nice and helpful fellow. He actually had a BD30 on hand to confirm his settings the same as mine. His worked just fine bitstreaming the HD codecs. Also confirmed setup in the processor is correct. Next step, return the BD35 for another player and try again.

Please report.

Apologies to the OP for hijacking this thread for my own purpose. Even I didn't see that coming. But thanks again to everybody that contributed.

Oh, its just more fodder for his argument!

Guys, it looks like I am going to order a Panasconic BD35 BR player. I believe it will suite my needs. Looking forward to getting it. Thanks to everyone here that offered me some outstanding advice. As always, it is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil

Congrats Phil, and fine choice.

 

[speakerman39]

Congrats Phil, and fine choice.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Jost. I am getting ready to pull the trigger. Looking forward to getting it. Feel like a kid in a candy store!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Davemcc]

Guys, it looks like I am going to order a Panny BD35 BR player. I believe it will suite my needs. Looking forward to getting it. Thanks to everyone here that offered me some outstanding advice. As always, it is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil

The BD35 still likes like a good choice to me. I replaced my BD35 with a Sony BDP-S550 and I'm still unable to process HD audio bitstream so it appears to be no fault of the BD35. It's gotta be a fault in the processor.

One entirely subjective note on the difference between the BD35 and the BDP-S550, while not having both side by side to compare, it seems to me that the BD35 has a sharper image. After having watched Sunshine so many times trying to get the HD audio to work, I think I'm comfortable saying that I prefer the image quality of the BD35 vs the Sony watching the same movie. No real objective data to support that, but that's my impression.

Enjoy the BD35.

 

[speakerman39]

The BD35 still likes like a good choice to me. I replaced my BD35 with a Sony BDP-S550 and I'm still unable to process HD audio bitstream so it appears to be no fault of the BD35. It's gotta be a fault in the processor.

One entirely subjective note on the difference between the BD35 and the BDP-S550, while not having both side by side to compare, it seems to me that the BD35 has a sharper image. After having watched Sunshine so many times trying to get the HD audio to work, I think I'm comfortable saying that I prefer the image quality of the BD35 vs the Sony watching the same movie. No real objective data to support that, but that's my impression.

Enjoy the BD35.

Thanks Dave for your input. I decided that today was the day I made the hump to BR. In fact, I already have a bunch of BR movies and I don't even have my player yet! I know it is crazy, but I am excited to say the least. My new Denon 2808 CI is due to arrive on Friday. Did not have the funds for the 3808 CI. However, I am still very happy with my decision to get the 2808.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[speakerman39]

hump to BR...........LOL!!!!! I meant jump!

Cheers,

Phil