McIntosh Gear for HT

ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
I’m building a house starting next month and will likely wrap it up in May 2009. I’ll have a 20’x25’ dedicated HT room above the garage. I’ve recently been looking around at different ideas for my upcoming HT setup. Most recently I’ve been looking at the front end of this; A/V receivers mainly. A few days ago I started looking at McIntosh gear. Mainly because I was looking at purchasing one of their cd players for my car stereo. This kind of bled over to their home audio gear and then I started looking at their website and audiogon.

So, I’m curious who here runs their gear and what are your feelings on buying used vs. new. I’ve got a few dealers within 2 hours of me but even that is a bit of a drive. I’m going to swing by one this weekend on my way to a mobile audio competition just to see what they have and to let my wife check out the gear. She’s pretty much given me a budget, which wouldn’t allow for mcintosh gear, but I could also be sage and buy in increments rather than all at once if I decided to go with their products. I've got a few specific questions but I'll save those for later in case this thread doesn't receive feedback.

So, what say you folks about their products and their pricing. I’ve always been the guy to say ‘power is power’. I still believe this, so it’s not necessarily that I think these products have a different ‘sound’. However, one can’t help but really wonder. The conditions of a double blind A/B test are too far fetched to matter so let’s just be honest: I like the looks of these suckers and their build quality. Not to mention the way they keep their value. Plus, they offer a 200x7 amp that looks like a friggin’ monster. And I’m a huge power freak.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
MacIntosh is a great company. They have been making hi end amps forever. That being said, there are alot of amps out there that produce the same power for a whole lot less. For example: The beringer Ep2500 will produce about 500 watts a channel into 8 ohms. How much do you think a MacIntosh amp would cost that put out that kind of power? The beringer is $350 the Mac amp is about 10 times that for the same power. And that is just one example. IMO Mac amps are very nice but not cost effective at all. Unless you are wealthy and don't care how much they cost, then I would recommend them....
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
But the Behringer amp is absolutely hideous looking. Most people like their gear to look nice especially if it's going to be seen.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
That's why they make closets in your house:eek:

I agree with both sides. I like how McIntosh looks, I can afford a Behringer but they are ugly...so what does that leave?

The EMOs, Outlaws and used Rotel....:D
But the Behringer amp is absolutely hideous looking. Most people like their gear to look nice especially if it's going to be seen.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
The one huge thing that gets me is that the Mc’s don’t have any sort of HD audio decoding to them, while a $500 Denon unit does. Considering this room is an HT room and will incorporate a BD player I’d prefer to take advantage of the HD audio. Unless I’m just wrong, you have to buy a receiver that can do this, and can’t rely on the BD player itself.
Another issue is that the Mc’s do not have any sort of auto-EQ. I’ve gotten pretty good with my ears, and I also have tools necessary to make manual adjustments. But when you consider a $500 unit that you can buy from CC or BB has this (and Denon has their dynamic EQ in models under $1k), it’s another shot in the foot.

I dunno… I really like the mcintosh gear, but it almost doesn’t make sense when you look at it on paper. The thing that draws me to it is that there’s so much history with their products as well as a very nice build. The gear will be in the back of the room, so it’s not going to be seen.

FWIW, I’m likely going with scanspeak F/R/C and using a set of Aperion bookshelves for rears in a 5.2 system. I’ll be making my own subwoofers out of some old JL 12w7 if I can find a good amp to drive them each.

I’m going to keep digging on the above mentioned issues (BD audio, auto-eq) but those might be the deal breakers for me.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
There are many choices amoung manufactures. I love Mac build quality, looks and one feature the autoformer are somethings i really like. If you can afford the gear, buy it. Dont let someone talk you out of it because you can spend less, there is more to it. Hifihoney hasnt been around much but pm him and hê will respond. He has vintage to current gear and could add to the topic. Feel free to pm me if you need some thoughts cleared up.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Well, do you have any knowledge on the HD lossless audio topic? That right now is my biggest issue. I could probably get around the lack of auto-tuning, but coupled with the lack of HD audio support, it’s a dealbreaker.

I’m looking forward to hitting the shop this weekend if they're open. It’s a 2 hour drive, but I’m going right by that area so I’m going to stop for a personal demo. I should be able to get a lot of my questions answered. If they’re good folks there, I’m hoping they’ll let me arrange a demo after I get my towers built.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Just buy either the Integra 9.9 or Marantz AV8003 Pre/Pros to use with the Mac amps. HD audio problem solved.

I got a chance to play with the Marantz and it is an awesome unit. The Audessey XT/Pro on it works great and it's also one of the best looking units around.

http://us.marantz.com/Products/2317.asp
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
I'm a big fan of the Tosh gear. Another option is using the analogs outs from from your bd player (assuming you have them)
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
you guys have interesting points.

The one good thing about not using a Mc for preamp/processing is that you’d save money off the top. Second that with the ability to now have auto-processing and HD audio and it’s a great deal.

I might just look into that. I’m liking the MC205 from mcintosh for amp. If I could find a good pre, I’d be set.

I’m not sure about analog out. I’ve just experienced noise issues in the past with analog out before. I suppose if it’s not an issue in home audio, then it’s also another avenue to consider.

Of course, I am getting quite ahead of myself here, considering my house won’t even be done until next year. It's kind of just fun to look. ;)
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
MacIntosh is a great company. They have been making hi end amps forever. That being said, there are alot of amps out there that produce the same power for a whole lot less. For example: The beringer Ep2500 will produce about 500 watts a channel into 8 ohms. How much do you think a MacIntosh amp would cost that put out that kind of power? The beringer is $350 the Mac amp is about 10 times that for the same power.
I have to shake my head, and wonder how anyone can put McIntosh, and Behringer in the same sentence.



 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
^ is that your room?! That's ridiculous!

There's more in one of those pre's than would probably be in my entire room!


I'd assume that's a showroom? Man, if I walked into that place I'd be consumed by blue and walk out with a lot less green. :p
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
I have to shake my head, and wonder how anyone can put McIntosh, and Behringer in the same sentence.

Plus the Mac unit could easily last you 20 years and still sell it afterwards for a good chunk of change.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
I have to shake my head, and wonder how anyone can put McIntosh, and Behringer in the same sentence.



Your wondering is over:D Its me I can say that because I cannot afford the McIntosh. I am in no way saying I wouldn't love to own a Mac piece but I can't at this point. As I am sure most folks cannot afford them right now. I do think for the money you cannot go wrong with the Behringer amps for those needing a budget power solution. I was answering honestly and I am sticking to that one.....:D
 
Gimpy Ric

Gimpy Ric

Moderator
Erin, look at the Denon AVP-A1HDCI or the Integra 9.9 as suggested earlier. Maybe by the time your house is near completion Emotiva will have some juicy new pre/pros on the market.....

The Denon looks like it does it all, but Integra has few equals either until Emotiva catchs up with some new gear next year.

Just ideas for those juicy McIntosh amps...
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
If I absolutely love McIntosh, I would get a used McIntosh Pre-pro that has 5.1/7.1 Analog Inputs + Amps. Then get a BD player that has internal TrueHD/DTS-MA decoders & 5.1/7.1 Analog Outputs like the Panasonic DMP-BD50/55.

I don't even use a Receiver or a Pre-Pro and I still get TrueHD & DTS-HD MA on blu-ray.

It is possible.
 
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