Out of the box system or build a system

R

rarmer

Audiophyte
My wife is going to buy me a surround sound system for my B-day. We have a small budget of around $500.00 to start with. Now my question is, is it better to buy a box system such as an Onkyo HTS5100S Home Theater System - 7.1 Channel that sales for around $450.00 Or her uncle is a paradigm dealer and has a couple of used marantz receivers, he can piece us together a system consisting of some new and some used components for around the same price. What is the best for the money?
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Welcome to the forum! You can often put together a better bang-for-the-buck system if you take the time to research the equipment and assemble it yourself, as opposed to buying an all-in-one system. Some additional thoughts are below.

A lot of those all-in-one systems are pretty limited in their connectivity and future expansion capabilities. The receiver that comes with the Onkyo 5100 is quite a bit better than most in that regard, though. It's a popular system, and you can get it much cheaper than $450. For example, Amazon carries it for $388, and the 5100 is generally their #1 selling home theater system. I'm not trying to push this system, as I've never heard it and have no personal opinion on it - just providing some info.

Above, I mentioned connectivity and future expansion. Add to that the features that you want, and you've got three things to look at when you are buying. If the used equipment that her uncle has is older and has fewer features/connections than that Onkyo, then that's something to consider. Also, the quality of the speakers (and how you like them) is a big thing. I would definitely give her uncle a chance to put something together for you to compare. I'm guessing that you'd have nothing to lose letting him give it a try.
 
KASR

KASR

Full Audioholic
Welcome to the forum! You can often put together a better bang-for-the-buck system if you take the time to research the equipment and assemble it yourself, as opposed to buying an all-in-one system. Some additional thoughts are below.

A lot of those all-in-one systems are pretty limited in their connectivity and future expansion capabilities. The receiver that comes with the Onkyo 5100 is quite a bit better than most in that regard, though. It's a popular system, and you can get it much cheaper than $450. For example, Amazon carries it for $388, and the 5100 is generally their #1 selling home theater system. I'm not trying to push this system, as I've never heard it and have no personal opinion on it - just providing some info.

Above, I mentioned connectivity and future expansion. Add to that the features that you want, and you've got three things to look at when you are buying. If the used equipment that her uncle has is older and has fewer features/connections than that Onkyo, then that's something to consider. I would definitely give her uncle a chance to put something together for you to compare, though.
I totally agree with Adam. I just recently purchased my first HT and I was faced with a similar dilemma. I ended up getting all the pieces separately, and I'm convinced I did the right thing. I would caution against used pieces tho. Good luck!
 
yettitheman

yettitheman

Audioholic General
There isn't anything wrong with a box system that is made by a reputable manufacturer (Denon, HK, Yamaha, Onkyo, ect); however, if you get one like I did many moons ago, you might wonder why you don't feel "in" to the experience of being immersed in your movies or music.

That being said; when buying a new box system, you have a warranty, everything is included to hook up your system (save for cables on occasion and sources), and speakers are included that will work. Notice I said "work" in the effect that they will make noise and sound better than a set of integrated TV speakers.

A piece by piece is really the way to go, and after having experience with boxed systems and truely separate components, you have more control and tonal quality by piecing separates yourself. The easiest (or sometimes confusing) process is determining what you want your system to handle, source wise. Do you need it to be working alongside a display? Do you need some of the latest technological enhancements such as HDMI, scalers, or network capability? Do you want it for a garage or a home theater room? Is your room small or large and do you listen to audio at lower levels or do you like rocking the house to the foundation?

All these questions and probably many more that I didn't list become the basis for what you need to decide before looking at any equipment. It's like buying motorcycle when you need a vehicle capable of holding your five member household, and likewise buying a tank to remove a small tree in your back yard when you just need a chainsaw.

When all is said and done, though, my opinion is to get a receiver that is capable to handle what speakers you are looking at getting as well as being expandable for sources. I would personally get a receiver that has HDMI capability as well as pre-outs. Be aware that HDMI in receivers can vary as to handling decoding as well as upscaling; ask yourself what you need or if you are confused, ask us what HDMI type sources you are looking at getting (if any) and to what display you are going to use.

If HDMI isn't in you forseeable future or you don't want HDMI, at least get a reciever wth enough analog connectivity and pre-outs, as you can hook more things up later and still use the receiver as a pre-amp should you need or want to use it in conjunction with a power amplifier.

Speakers are the hardest part to choose from. There are so many of them out there, some good, some bad, and many overpriced for what quality they give you.
I would personally try to get a quality two channel system (with a subwoofer if your budget allows). Figure out if you want bookshelfs or floor standing speakers; I would go for higher quality bookshelfs as you can later use them as surround speakers.

Cables are simple. 16 AWG for speakers is fine. Some would argue 18 on the smaller side or 14-12 on the larger side. You can get this by a roll or in cut lengths at a hardware store. Interconnects are mainly overhyped. Get quality cables from Blue Jeans (a Audioholics sponsor and a reputable manufacturer) or Monoprice (better pricing, and still a great selection of quality cables).
 
The Dali

The Dali

Audioholic
While I agree that creating your own system will generally give you better results than an "all in one" solution, I have to caution you that $500 isn't going to get you very far. 5 speakers, subwoofer, amp, DVD, cables, interconnects... you'll find that building your own system will get pricey, even if you buy used gear or try to keep to your budget.

Just my opinion.
 
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