Hooking up 901's to my AVR 635 system

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david0000

Audiophyte
Just received my Harmon/Kardon AVR 635 Receiver today and I'm running into a problem in trying to hook up my BOSE 901 system to it and make it work. Can someone help me out here.
 
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david0000

Audiophyte
I hooked up to the Tape in and out hook ups like the BOSE instruction tell you to do, but I cannot find how to activate the record to make the BOSE system work. I'll admit that I'm old and dumb here and I need help, maybe I'm hooking it up wrong?
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
I'll admit that I'm old and dumb here and I need help, maybe I'm hooking it up wrong?
Just take it easy and you'll get through this. We are all dumb when we start out. I'm still dumb. At least I'm not a Schmoe. :eek:
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
I just had troll for dinner...hopefully it does not repeat...


I would read the HK 635 manual for instructions on how to hook up the tape deck to your Bose system. You stated you have the Bose 901, what other speakers and electronics do you have to hook up to the HK receiver?
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Mazer's old too. :D

Welcome to the forum. :) You're at the right place to get help. I have to turn in but am interested in the solution as a friend of mine has 901's.

Dave,

How long have you had the 901's and the AVR 635?

Alex
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
I believe you want to turn on the tape monitor. I dont know what it would be called on your reciever. You'll have to scroll through the HK manual for that information. You could also insert the active EQ in between the preamp and power amp sections but the HK does not have the correct inputs to allow for that.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
The 901s where never intended for use in a 5.1 system. I don't think this setup will work well since the tape monitor (if this newer H/K even has one) only works in the analog realm. This means whenever you are using a digital connection (from a DVD player or Blu-ray player) the tape loop will not work. If you use the multichannel input (from an external decoder to attempt to avert the digital processing in the receiver) you will find the tape monitor is deactivated when multichannel is on.

You will need to do one of two things.

A.) Get a power amp, the only way of getting away from the tape loop and ensuring you will always have output (digital or analog)

or

B.) Update your speakers. The 901s where innovative in their day, but that day has long since passed. Much better speakers are available at more competitive prices. Luckily 901s have a great collector value, so you could at any time turn those into some dough if you want. You could keep them and integrate them into a different, simpler system. Or, you could sell them to build funds for new speakers.
 
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david0000

Audiophyte
I lost many brain cells listening to the 901's in the Phillippines in the 70's. The AVR is a recent addition.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I lost many brain cells listening to the 901's in the Phillippines in the 70's. The AVR is a recent addition.
Have you had the 901's operational with anything else? When? What? I don't have time to look through the manual but we need you to provide more info regarding the hook up. There is a possibility that you will have to get a separate 2 channel amp. I think Seth might have mentioned that.

Keep asking questions and these guys will help you. They like to see people get there gear working. :)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Having a "tape out" and a "tape in" pair does not necessarially a tape monitor make.

This is my generic answer to using equalizers with a receiver. I think you'll get the gist of what 's going on.

To insert an equalizer or similar in-line processing device, one needs to insert it somewhere in the circuit path. You must break the circuit, send the signal out to the device, and then return it into the circuit exactly where it left it.

In the good old days of analog two-channel stereo, adding an equalizer was as simple as pie. You simply located the tape monitor output on the back panel, ran an interconnect from there to the eq’s input, and then ran another interconnect from the eq’s output back to the tape monitor’s input on the receiver. You turned on the eq, a pushed the “Tape Monitor” button on the receiver in, and, voiola!. Your eq is now in the circuit!

Likewise, to take the eq out of the circuit, you just pushed the “Tape Monitor” switch again to restore the internal signal path.

Essentially, what the “tape monitor” button does can be described in two steps.

1) When the “tape monitor” button is in it’s “out” position, the signal is fed internally from the “tape out” jacks to the “tape in” jacks.
2) When you push it in, that out/in connection severed, the signal goes out the “tape monitor out” jacks, through the external device, and then back into the “tape monitor in” jacks.

This is why pushing the “tape monitor” button in when nothing is connected to the “tape monitor” in and out jacks, the signal will disappear. It’s going out but never returning.

If one is talking about one of the current AVR's, simply having tape out and tape in jacks on the back panel does not guarantee that it will create the needed "monitor loop" configuration of the old days where the signal was sent out and to a device and then returned immediately to the same point in the circuit path where it left via the push of a button.

While many AVR’s might have “tape out” jacks on the back to allow you to send an analog two-channel signal out to an external device, it’s generally a one-way trip.

Likewise, they might have a “tape input” on the back to allow you to play tapes through your system, but odds are it must be selected via the input selector, which makes it worthless for the purpose of inserting an eq into the circuit.

The key is to scour the front panel for a "tape loop" or "tape monitor" button. Without that, these two sets of jacks simply allow a signal to be sent out to an tape deck but that tape deck's input must be selected as another input, not the out/in loop, as many have discovered.

So, if you do indeed have the needed "tape monitor loop" then you're good to go but, be aware that it will only affect two channels, most likely the front two.

One way to verify you do have what's needed is to take one stereo interconnect and connect the tape output to the tape input in question. Switch the receiver to FM, CD or some other source besides tape, and press the tape monitor switch. It should sound exactly the same. If you lose the signal, there's a problem. Likewise, not being able to find the "tape monitor" button/switch on the front panel is a problem also.

But, not all hope is lost. You can use an eq between the preamp stage and power amp, assuming the receiver offers these I/O options. Using this option you’ll need a separate equalizer channel for each channel you want to eq. For a 6.1 channel system (I’ll ignore the sub here), you’ll need six channels of equalizers, or three stereo eq’s.
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
I should point out also, You can still use the speakers without the active equalizer. If you want to tweak the sound more you can always use the tone control knobs on the reciever if it has any. You just wont have the perfect sound Dr. Amar intended ;)
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I should point out also, You can still use the speakers without the active equalizer. If you want to tweak the sound more you can always use the tone control knobs on the reciever if it has any. You just wont have the perfect sound Dr. Amar intended ;)
Have you ever heard 901's with & without EQ? Without EQ really ain't gettin' it. But like you said it would work. I find it odd that the OP's efforts add up to 2 lines per day or so. :)
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
After all this, I wonder what the condition of the 901's driver surrounds are like?
 
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