Sealed JL8W7-3 3D model

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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Well it took me 3 hours to design this thing with google sketchup but here is a model and it's theoretic performance given by bassbox pro.

Size 12.5"x12.5"x14"



Type: Closed Box
Shape: Prism, square
Vb = 0.724 cu.ft
Qtc = 0.628
F3 = 52.62 Hz
Fill = heavy




According to this graph though I will reach Xmax before reaching this output so I don't know if it's actually possible (not entirely sure if that's what the graph means) :confused:.

 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
3hrs? Is the software that hard to use? Or does that include calculations? I could create that box in about 15 minutes in Inventor.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
3hrs? Is the software that hard to use? Or does that include calculations? I could create that box in about 15 minutes in Inventor.
Nah it's super easy I was just having a hard time with my PC and certain functions. Now that I got the hang of it I could prolly do it in 20 mins or less.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
101@24Hz sounds pretty good. What driver?
It's a JL 8W7-3 but I just realized that at that output I am 1mm past Xmax so it's a no-go. I will try modeling with the Kappa Perfect 12VQ in the same cabinet to see what I can get.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Sorry, should have gathered that from the TITLE :) Still a no-go though.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Not too sure I'd use that. There's a significant difference b/t output at 25hz & 80hz. 12db... that's pretty big. At least IMO.

Have you considered using 2 8w7's in different locations of the room? Also, the location of the sub itself will effect output; could be a good thing or a bad thing.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
BTW, it's very annoying when someone posts an image that wide directly on the forum. It forces the browser to have to scrolled horizontally to read the posts.

Let's get to some points that are important, and are being missed.

1) Published x-max rating of the JL8 W-7 is it's linear range; that is, it will have a very even BL curve(motor power) vs. excursion within this range. It's actual mechanical limit is in the range of somewhere at or after 25mm one way before it enters a danger zone. I have tested these drivers and confirmed these issues.

2) Do not plan to use this driver to 25Hz in a sealed cabinet. You waste it's output(you limit overall output by allowing it if you try to EQ it flat to 25Hz) and increase distortion in the process. Target an extension of no lower than 30-32Hz flat with E.Q. in a sealed cabinet with this driver for minimum distortion and maximum dynamic range/SPL ability. I actually recommend using a high pass filter to limit the power sent to the driver under 30Hz - this will insure excellent potential.

There is not even a reason to use as much volume as you have planned. Half a cubic volume net volume is sufficient, but you need to use a DSP crossover/E.Q. like the Behringer DCX2496 to optimize performance, however. Using such a device, you can flatten response, extend LF to a flat 30Hz and limit the output under 30Hz to maximum dynamic range and minimize distortion. One of these will approximate the output ability of a Velodyne DD-12, if you are familiar with that device.

If you want to do something impressive, use it in a slot port enclosure. You can get extreme output levels down to 25Hz this way. 110-115+ dB at 25Hz in room, corner loaded, should be the minimum possible with one of these in the proper slot ported cabinet design and driven with an amplifier of sufficient power.

Also, it looks like you plan to flush mount this driver. Please be aware that if you do this, design the front face level to screw or clip on. Due to the unique mounting method of the W7 drivers, it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to mount it in a recess that has very little room to the side of the W7's front edge. Either a very wide clearance to the side of the W7is needed in this recess, or you need to have the flush mounting method work by overlaying another layer that is removable.

-Chris
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
BTW, it's very annoying when someone posts an image that wide directly on the forum. It forces the browser to have to scrolled horizontally to read the posts.

Let's get to some points that are important, and are being missed.

1) Published x-max rating of the JL8 W-7 is it's linear range; that is, it will have a very even BL curve(motor power) vs. excursion within this range. It's actual mechanical limit is in the range of somewhere at or after 25mm one way before it enters a danger zone. I have tested these drivers and confirmed these issues.

2) Do not plan to use this driver to 25Hz in a sealed cabinet. You waste it's output(you limit overall output by allowing it if you try to EQ it flat to 25Hz) and increase distortion in the process. Target an extension of no lower than 30-32Hz flat with E.Q. in a sealed cabinet with this driver for minimum distortion and maximum dynamic range/SPL ability. I actually recommend using a high pass filter to limit the power sent to the driver under 30Hz - this will insure excellent potential.

There is not even a reason to use as much volume as you have planned. Half a cubic volume net volume is sufficient, but you need to use a DSP crossover/E.Q. like the Behringer DCX2496 to optimize performance, however. Using such a device, you can flatten response, extend LF to a flat 30Hz and limit the output under 30Hz to maximum dynamic range and minimize distortion. One of these will approximate the output ability of a Velodyne DD-12, if you are familiar with that device.

If you want to do something impressive, use it in a slot port enclosure. You can get extreme output levels down to 25Hz this way. 110-115+ dB at 25Hz in room, corner loaded, should be the minimum possible with one of these in the proper slot ported cabinet design and driven with an amplifier of sufficient power.

-Chris
Ok I think I understand all your points. As far as converting it to a slot port enclosure would I have to increase the size of the box or would the current dimensions work fine?
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Ok I think I understand all your points. As far as converting it to a slot port enclosure would I have to increase the size of the box or would the current dimensions work fine?
Your current dimensions would result in a box with an external volume occupancy of roughly 1.3 cubic feet. To do an optimal ported design, your external volume occupancy would end up at roughly 2 cubic feet.

-Chris
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
I tried designing a sealed box using the Kappa Perfect 12VQ with the same size box and this is what I came up with.

Type: Closed Box
Shape: Prism, square
Vb = 1.084 cu.ft
Qtc = 1.072
F3 = 34.91 Hz
Fill = normal

 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
The over all Qtc of the 12VQ enclosure is too high. You want the Qtc not to exceed .85 or so.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Inherent QTC is irrelevant, if you use the proper DSP processing gear such as the DCX2496. In fact, I can not ever recommend relying upon natural response curves in sealed alignments. It's pointless - you will end up with premature F3 and a constant downward sloping response towards the LF. It best just to use a small cabinet, even if Qtc=1.3. The actual peak output power vs. frequency of the driver will not be greatly affected on the low end, and you will actually gain some dynamic range on the upper bass range end. You will use a device like the DCX to activate filters to produce a smooth/flat/extended response that would otherwise not be possible. But remember, you must use an immensely powerful amplifier to boost LF output. A 3dB boost requires 2x the power.

-Chris
 
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