An article on why stradivarious sounds so good

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FatStrat85

Junior Audioholic
But what makes Monster Cable and Bose sound so good?
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks for that link, 3db! Interesting, indeed. I'd love to hear one of those played in person to find out what all of the fuss is about.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Thanks for that link, 3db! Interesting, indeed. I'd love to hear one of those played in person to find out what all of the fuss is about.
The only way I could tell is if they played the same piece of music side by side with non strat to be able to hear the differences. My memory is short *L*
 
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niceshoes

Audioholic Intern
Do these old violins really sound better? Or is this just a case of "it's old, it must be better" placebo effect?
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

Audioholic General
I've read stuff on the varnish used making these sound different.......I have deffo wondered how much subjectivism goes into the sound of the violins. Would love to see some DBT. That said, the art of violinmaking is amazing and these old insturments are wonderful and romantic.....................
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
My cousin has been playing the Violin since he was a child and he tells me that there is a huge difference between a Stradivarius and modern violins. He says it has something to do with the way the wood resonates on a Strad compared to modern ones. I mean guessing that has a lot to do with the wood density the article talks about. He also states that a Strad could literally last forever whereas modern ones have a shelf life. He has been trying to get a hold of a Strad for years but has had no luck.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Yet another explanation of the Strad. I recall that over the centuries the sound has been attributed to glue, varnish, careful tuning as the wood was carved, etc. It's more fun if it's just a mystery. Otherwise, if the sound is really cracked, WalMart will be able to make Strads for $89.
Give my link above a read:D
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
My cousin has been playing the Violin since he was a child and he tells me that there is a huge difference between a Stradivarius and modern violins. He says it has something to do with the way the wood resonates on a Strad compared to modern ones. I mean guessing that has a lot to do with the wood density the article talks about. He also states that a Strad could literally last forever whereas modern ones have a shelf life. He has been trying to get a hold of a Strad for years but has had no luck.
He is incorrect
http://agnewsarchive.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/BICH/Aug2503a.htm
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

Audioholic General
Classic stuff. A DBT and all the clasically trained musicians could not tell the difference between violins! Now, I would like to whittle that further down to see how violinists and violin makers would do in the test........that would be the reference for me. Still, I'm with skizzerflake........leave the mystery alone and let the romance stand.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
So out of curiosity do you play the violin or have ever tried to play one?
Nope. But it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand; just your curiosity, right:D
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Classic stuff. A DBT and all the clasically trained musicians could not tell the difference between violins! Now, I would like to whittle that further down to see how violinists and violin makers would do in the test........that would be the reference for me. Still, I'm with skizzerflake........leave the mystery alone and let the romance stand.
It is just interesting that all the rave about the Strad, yet, a modern violin can not be differentiated by a lot of well placed listeners:D
So, what is that $4mill buying? Nostalgia?;)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
"People can tell a difference."

"No, they can't."

"Yes, they can."

"..."

"I know you are, but what am I?"

Cables, amps, receivers, now...violins. Will the madness never stop? ;) :)
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Well I played the recorder in high school. I should have been in that DBT panel :rolleyes:
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I typed this at a different forum (minimally altered):

"Interesting indeed. I used to be a very avid violinist as well as guitarist. My own german Kloz (the eldest) is well over 200 years old. I wanted an english Craske, but the Kloz was a lot easier to play and half the price. Just w/o the He-Man tone, hehe. I've handled very fine Italian instruments, including a Strad. My good friend from music school (actually gf of my trumpeter roommate's at the time) performed on Jascha Heifitz's old del Gesu for a festival in SF. Her own instrument was worth $80k, and I already knew of that del Gesu violin that a long time ago scientists replicated the instrument to 1/1000 of an inch, with a chemically analyzed and reproduced varnish. (from watching a black and white documentary on Heifitz). Nope, didn't sound the same. OTOH, Im curious how much science has evolved to better the chances.

Density can very well be a major factor that is missing? I have both spruce and cedar guitars, and the former is very close grained German spruce. I believe spruce is about 4x the density of cedar. They definitely have their distinct sounds, but OTOH its really the luthier's construction that over-rides everything in the sonic signature.

The strad I played with in LA has a VERY different shape. This was about 16 years ago I believe. Its simply smaller, but perhaps a bit fatter in the middle. This will obviously be a big factor compared to "today's modern instruments".

Amati used to go out into the forests with a mallet/hammer and literally hit the tree with his ear to it. He would go around till he found a tree that he liked.

There are a lot of fine instruments out there, and honestly, $5-$20k can get you a very,very, very fine instrument if you know what you're doing.

I should add that the density will affect the time to break in an instrument. Of course the time is very dependent on the performer, but for example a cedar guitar can take only a month or two, while the spruce could be on the scale of years for some. Violins/cellos, etc are usually about a year to two. So, when they compare, I wonder if they should break them in a little. I don't necessarily believe in breakin with AV, but its an absolute with musical instruments."

*I'd like to add here at AH another random factoid, in regards to the idea of different woods available. Spanish guitars from around 100+ years ago were all made with Cypress. No longer because they practically deforested their country of these trees for such purpose.

** Oh ya second addition. Someone said something about modern violins dying. I've never heard that before. And I don't *think that's really true. OTOH, guitars DO die. Well, a lot/most of them. Then again, there's some really nice ones around that aren't exactly young, but I've never played one that was over 50 y.o. Relatively recent instrumental addition to classical music.

-jostenmeat
 

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