Okay... hopefully last post on this topic...

[Panhandler801]

Probably going to pull the trigger tomorrow.

Current plan....

Paradigm Studio 60s
CC 690 (I know, the 590 has about the same performance, but what I can I say... the 690 is just so dang purdy)
SVS 20-39 PC-Plus
Paradimg AMS100Rs in the ceiling

My question: For HT will I still gain from making the monitor to studio jump with the sub-ideal set up for the surrounds? It's a room that did not lend itself to wall mount APDs at all. Guy at shop says that the ceiling are just "effect" and that they'll be fine.


Other option, is to go:

Studio 40s
CC590
SVS PC Ultra

Just not sure how I fel about this.

An honest 50 / 50 HT and Music. 9,000 ft&3 room.

Yamaha RX-V663

Seems that the 60s and the SVS Plus would be better music in such a big room. I understand that the 40s, 590 (save some money) and the Ultra would make for a better HT system, but then again... I don't even have real surrounds.

That being said, what do yall think.

(I know I've made basically the same post 4 or 5 times, but each time there has been a slight variatoin / different question that I'm wishing to have addressed)

THanks all

PH80

 

[Panhandler801]

Possibly noteworthy in regards to this question:

That Yamaha receiver (already purchased) is puting out 75w / channel.

Is putting out enough power, and clean power, to take advantage of what the Studios are capable of (compared to the Monitors)?

THanks agian

 

[Davemcc]

The RX-V663 is rated at 95 wpc and should drive the Studio series adequately. They are a reasonable 8 ohm speaker to drive. Having said that, the 663 does have preouts in case you want to add a two or three channel amp to try to safely drive them a little harder. But I don't see any conflict with driving them with the 663.

Either option seems fine, but I'd go with option 2 above simply as a matter of subjective preference.

 

[Panhandler801]

Yeah, I knew it was 95, not sure why I wrote 75. Still, though, I wasn't sure if 95w was sufficient. Thanks

Now, why would you go option two? Just curious.

Thanks again

 

[Midcow2]

Paradigm Studio 60s are average efficiency

Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 91 / 88 dB

The RX-663 should drive them fine.

And I agree with the guy at the shop the surrounds are just a small effect, concentration should be on the fronts and center, then sub , then surrounds each with diminishing importance.

 

[Davemcc]

Now, why would you go option two? Just curious.

Simply as a matter of preference. I like having a little overkill on the sub, but you say you have a big room so overkill sounds just about right. Also, I didn't hear much of a difference between the Studio 40 and the 60 when running them with a sub. I tend to prefer bookshelves anyway and have a hard time finding towers that I like. Ultimately, I don't think there will be much audible difference between the two options. Others may have a different take on the subject and may also comment.

 

[jcPanny]

Paradigm HT

I don't think you can go wrong with either of those options.
While you are in the attic, wire for 7.1 just incase you want to hook up an extra pair of in-ceiling speakers for the rear surround channels.

 

[Panhandler801]

I don't think you can go wrong with either of those options.
While you are in the attic, wire for 7.1 just incase you want to hook up an extra pair of in-ceiling speakers for the rear surround channels.

No-can-do... well, at least not as easily as running wire through attic. Room is downstairs of two story home. House on pilings. Best option for additional wire would be to pull plywood "ceiling" off below house, run wire through the stringers, and come UP through the plate from down below.

 

[AVRat]

Simply as a matter of preference. I like having a little overkill on the sub, but you say you have a big room so overkill sounds just about right. Also, I didn't hear much of a difference between the Studio 40 and the 60 when running them with a sub. Ultimately, I don't think there will be much audible difference between the two options.

Ditto for the second option. And you may be surprised how well the in-ceiling surrounds perform.

 

[Panhandler801]

Anybody have a clue what a fair price ($US) is for the following units:

Studio 60s
Studio 40s
CC690
CC590

I just got prices on them and want to make sure that they're in the ballpark.

Guy at local shop tells me that as of this year the Studios are using almost all of the technology that goes into the Signature series. This BS, or is seroius?

Think I'm going to go 60s, CC690, AND the SVS PC-Ultra. I can't help myself.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I paid 1k for my 40's and I can get the 60's for 1400. This is pretty cheap but I have bought a lot of stuff from my dealer.

Studios sound great, Sigs sound a bit better (to me) but not worth the price difference.

I use in-ceilings for surrounds and they are fine.

 

[Panhandler801]

My guy is wanting $1700 for 60s, and $1150 for CC690. Sounded a bit steep.

He's been helpful, but that's a pretty big jump. 1400 to 1700.

Also, when I first started I was looking at Monitor 7s and comparable center speaker. So throughout the process I've convicned my self to step it up a notch.

That being said... it seems that he would let me take my time in hopes of continuing to take things up a notch. HOWEVER, he called yesterday and told me that he needed to know because he's about to make a Pardigm order tomorrow. Kind of gave a deadline in a strange way. I wasn't real comfortable about that.

Also, and even more importantly, I asked him what he thougth about SVS subs, and he replied, "Never heard of them. I don't know." NOW... either he has no clue about what's out there, (not a good thing), or he was BSing (not a good thing).

 

[3db]

My guy is wanting $1700 for 60s, and $1150 for CC690. Sounded a bit steep.

He's been helpful, but that's a pretty big jump. 1400 to 1700.

Also, when I first started I was looking at Monitor 7s and comparable center speaker. So throughout the process I've convicned my self to step it up a notch.

That being said... it seems that he would let me take my time in hopes of continuing to take things up a notch. HOWEVER, he called yesterday and told me that he needed to know because he's about to make a Pardigm order tomorrow. Kind of gave a deadline in a strange way. I wasn't real comfortable about that.

Also, and even more importantly, I asked him what he thougth about SVS subs, and he replied, "Never heard of them. I don't know." NOW... either he has no clue about what's out there, (not a good thing), or he was BSing (not a good thing).

Sounds fishy to me too with this deadline BS and that he's never heard of SVS.

If you choose to step up to the Studio series of Paradigm, thats good. But if you choose to go with Paradigm's monitor series, I take a hard look at PSB Image series instead. IMO, the Image series is a better performing series than the monitor series.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Where do you live?

My dealer also snickers at SVS but then again, he cant carry them.

My guy is wanting $1700 for 60s, and $1150 for CC690. Sounded a bit steep.

He's been helpful, but that's a pretty big jump. 1400 to 1700.

Also, when I first started I was looking at Monitor 7s and comparable center speaker. So throughout the process I've convicned my self to step it up a notch.

That being said... it seems that he would let me take my time in hopes of continuing to take things up a notch. HOWEVER, he called yesterday and told me that he needed to know because he's about to make a Pardigm order tomorrow. Kind of gave a deadline in a strange way. I wasn't real comfortable about that.

Also, and even more importantly, I asked him what he thougth about SVS subs, and he replied, "Never heard of them. I don't know." NOW... either he has no clue about what's out there, (not a good thing), or he was BSing (not a good thing).

 

[AVRat]

Approximate MSRP
Studio 60s - $1800
Studio 40s - $1400
CC690 - $1200
CC590 - $900

 

[mazersteven]

Also, and even more importantly, I asked him what he thougth about SVS subs, and he replied, "Never heard of them. I don't know." NOW... either he has no clue about what's out there, (not a good thing), or he was BSing (not a good thing).

You'd be surprised of how many guys in the business don't know of most internet only companies like SVS.

Maybe they just don't want to know.

 

[3db]

You'd be surprised of how many guys in the business don't know of most internet only companies like SVS.

Maybe they just don't want to know.

they know but its stealing money out of their pockets. Of course they don't know

 

[jcPanny]

Paradigm prices

It would be reasonable to get a 10% discount off of MSRP when buying the complete 5.0 speaker system.

You could also look for some lightly used studio series on audiogon. They usually sell for around half the origional price.

 

[Panhandler801]

Well, I was about to pull the trigger on Studio 60s, CC690 and AMS100Rs.

Just went home to measure the top shelf one more time to make sure that it's going to hold the CC690, and it will, but I'll have to take it the feet off the speaker, and all 4 corners will hang over the edge. The shelf is oblong shaped.

The CC590 will fit entirely on the shelf.

REALLY liked the idea of the 690, but it looks like I'm going to need to step it down one notch. Sucks.

How much performance am I lossing with 690 VS. 590?

 

[Panhandler801]

Well, I was about to pull the trigger on Studio 60s, CC690 and AMS100Rs.

Just went home to measure the top shelf one more time to make sure that it's going to hold the CC690, and it will, but I'll have to take it the feet off the speaker, and all 4 corners will hang over the edge. The shelf is oblong shaped.

The CC590 will fit entirely on the shelf.

REALLY liked the idea of the 690, but it looks like I'm going to need to step it down one notch. Sucks.

How much performance am I lossing with 690 VS. 590?

Whatever. Never mind. It's done. Got the 60s and the 590. Really wanted the 690, but what's done is done.

I think I'll still be pleased. Really like the idea of the 690, though.