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SilverBulletKY

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I have two old Technics floor speakers that are 240W. I have the whole set.. receiver, surround sound, cd, equalizer, etc. I am wanting to replace my receiver with HDMI but don't know what I need for the floor speakers. They sound great now. Will the new receivers that I see that are 90 - 110w per channel be enough to push these speakers? I really don't know that much about it. Thanks for your help.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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what is their sensitvity rating? Typically those older speakers are fairly high, especially far east.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Yes, any mass market receiver should have no trouble powering the Technics speakers to levels of output high enough to do harm to your ears.

Do you need the receiver to have audio processing over HDMI? Many lower cost receivers that have HDMI don't process audio, they only switch between video inputs.
 
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SilverBulletKY

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They don't process audio? You'll have to explain what you mean.. like I said I don't have a clue. :eek:
 
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fmw

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20 watts per channel is overkill for most installations.
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

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Only HDMI 1.3 processes audio ...

They don't process audio? You'll have to explain what you mean.. like I said I don't have a clue. :eek:
The HDMI 1.1 will only pass throrugh video and not audio. The HDMI 1.3 1.3a, 1.3b will process audio and you will not need a separate connection for audio. The less expensive AVRs will only provide HDMI 1.1 and you will need to make separate connections for you audio.
 
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trnqk7

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Not true-My Denon 2807 gets audio via HDMI just fine from my satellite receiver and from a PS3 when my friend brings it over. Perhaps that was changed in 1.1 vs. 1.1a (which I think is what the Denon has) but be careful making a definitive statement like that.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
The HDMI 1.1 will only pass throrugh video and not audio. The HDMI 1.3 1.3a, 1.3b will process audio and you will not need a separate connection for audio. The less expensive AVRs will only provide HDMI 1.1 and you will need to make separate connections for you audio.
That is mostly incorrect.

HDMI 1.0 receivers with repeating architecture can process 7.1 LPCM from HDMI.

HDMI 1.1 adds DVD audio (MLP lossless)

HDMI 1.2 repeating architecture adds DSD support (not all HDMI 1.2 repeating receivers can do this, but it's part of the specification of HDMI 1.2)

HDMI 1.3 adds bitstreaming of HD audio formats available on Blu-ray (Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, and DTS-HD.

(note: A Blu-ray player or PS3 can decode these formats internally and convert them to uncompressed multichannel linear PCM which is every bit as good as bitstreaming the HD audio from the player. It's actually prefered to have the Blu-ray player handle decoding the HD audio and convert it to PCM for output over HDMI to a capable receiver.)

A few pointers to get you in the right direction, look for receivers that say they have HDMI repeater, HDMI audio processing, or some other form. Receivers that say "HDMI pass-thru" or "HDMI switching" won't be able to decode audio from any HDMI source (satellite, DVD player, Blu-ray).

For more info on the differences between HDMI versions, look here.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

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They don't process audio? You'll have to explain what you mean.. like I said I don't have a clue. :eek:
Hello there Silver. Mind if I ask what part of KY you are from? I am from the Western part myself. Welcome to the forum.
 
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SilverBulletKY

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Thanks.. that helps. Still very confusing if you're new to this all.

For example, the Onkyo TXSR575 is only 249.99 and has HDMI 1.3 but the Yamaha RX-V861 is around $400 and only has HDMI 1.2. I guess the other features make up the extra dollars.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Thanks.. that helps. Still very confusing if you're new to this all.

For example, the Onkyo TXSR575 is only 249.99 and has HDMI 1.3 but the Yamaha RX-V861 is around $400 and only has HDMI 1.2. I guess the other features make up the extra dollars.
The TX-SR575 does NOT process audio. The Yamaha RX-V861 does process audio, and has a better amplifier section along with more features and connectivity.

Always remember that a certain version of HDMI does not necessitate audio processing. So like the TX-SR575 which has HDMI 1.3 does not process audio but will pass an HDMI 1.3 signal to the display. The TX-SR605 is a model up from the TX-SR575 and also features HDMI 1.3, but it adds the repeating architecture that allows audio processing to occur.
 
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SilverBulletKY

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The TX-SR575 does NOT process audio. The Yamaha RX-V861 does process audio, and has a better amplifier section along with more features and connectivity.

Always remember that a certain version of HDMI does not necessitate audio processing. So like the TX-SR575 which has HDMI 1.3 does not process audio but will pass an HDMI 1.3 signal to the display. The TX-SR605 is a model up from the TX-SR575 and also features HDMI 1.3, but it adds the repeating architecture that allows audio processing to occur.
I was just looking at the TX-SR605. Seems I can get that for in between 300 - 400. Would you recommend this type? Actually maybe the 705 because I need 3 HDMI inputs.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I would recommend the Yamaha RX-V863 as well, but chances are you can find the Onkyo TX-SR705 for less. But if you are going to spend for the TX-SR705 I would jump up to the TX-SR805 which can sometimes be found for nearly the same price as the TX-SR705. The TX-SR805 has a lot more guts, but it requires more space to breath and I would recommend using fans for it to keep it cool. If you don't want to fuss with that then stick with the TX-SR705 or RX-V863.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I have two old Technics floor speakers that are 240W. I have the whole set.. receiver, surround sound, cd, equalizer, etc. I am wanting to replace my receiver with HDMI but don't know what I need for the floor speakers. They sound great now. Will the new receivers that I see that are 90 - 110w per channel be enough to push these speakers? I really don't know that much about it. Thanks for your help.
Get one with at least the same power as your older one.:D
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
I would recommend the Yamaha RX-V863 as well, but chances are you can find the Onkyo TX-SR705 for less. But if you are going to spend for the TX-SR705 I would jump up to the TX-SR805 which can sometimes be found for nearly the same price as the TX-SR705. The TX-SR805 has a lot more guts, but it requires more space to breath and I would recommend using fans for it to keep it cool. If you don't want to fuss with that then stick with the TX-SR705 or RX-V863.
Hey Seth, I had to send my Onkyo 705 back because it too was getting extremely hot. I only had my Polk RTi6's hooked up with both the levels and the volume turned down. Furthermore, I exchanged it for a Yammie 663 for the time being. My plan is, however, to get a Pioneer 1018 just as soon as it becomes available and sell my 663. Just thought I would mention that regarding the over-heating issue as the 705 was placed on the top of my audio stand thus allowing for plenty of ventilation.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Hey Seth, I had to send my Onkyo 705 back because it too was getting extremely hot. I only had my Polk RTi6's hooked up with both the levels and the volume turned down. Furthermore, I exchanged it for a Yammie 663 for the time being. My plan is, however, to get a Pioneer 1018 just as soon as it becomes available and sell my 663. Just thought I would mention that regarding the over-heating issue as the 705 was placed on the top of my audio stand thus allowing for plenty of ventilation.
Do you have any heat issues, or output issues with the Yamaha?
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
Do you have any heat issues, or output issues with the Yamaha?
Seth, I have NOT been able to hook everything up just yet as I recently moved. Did not have much help this go around. I do hope to get to it as soon as I can. My new ht room is a bit smaller than I originally thought so it is a bit difficult to maneuver around. When I get everything set up properly, I will get back to you on it. However, it is doubtful that the Yammie would get that hot although it may get warm. I never really could make my Pioneer 1015 hot at all but it would get warm at times. Plan to take a few pics too when it all is said and done. Right now, kinda having Motorola DVR issues picture quality wise. Not sure, if running the DCH-6416 via hdmi into my Yammie 663 and then on to my 42" LG LCD would fix this. Heck, I have not even taken the 663 out of the box yet. :p:p
 

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