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GreyStreet41

Enthusiast
Hi everyone, I'm new here. I've been researching all over the net looking for some advice, and thats how I found this site. I need some help.

My wife and I just purchased a house. We also just bought a new 52" Sony LCD TV that we want to mount above the fireplace.

My Goal: Mount my TV and run all the cables (hidden) and not have to pay Best Buy $500 to do it for me.

I'm pretty good with home theater stuff... This is just my first LCD above the fireplace task.

The house is two story, and living in Indiana, I dont want any cables outside. the fireplace is woodburning and we wont be using it.

As far as electrical goes, the room above the fireplace has a outlet in the middle of the room directly above the fireplace, so I plan on dropping a line down from that outlet, and installing a new outlet for above the fireplace. That will take care of my electrical problem.

My main problem is running my HDMI cable. If you look at the pictures, you will see the cable jack on the left side of the fireplace. That is where the cable box and DVD player will be located at. How do I run my HDMI cable from my cable box to behind the TV without seeing it?

I thought about running it up the wall all the way to the attic space, then dropping it back down to behind the TV, but thats quite a run with a HDMI cable and I'm sure not a cheap one! How else can I get the cable there?

I've attached pictures of the living room and fireplace so you see what I have to work with. We havent moved in yet, but the blue paint is the first thing to go!



 
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Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
I would use a 4 ft long flexible drill bit.
Greenlee makes one, and you can find it at the Depot, or Lowes.
Cut out a hole for your box behind the TV. Then drill to the left, (horizontally)
until you're into the stud cavity over the existing cable jack.
The drill bit I mentioned, has a small hole in it. So it can be used as a snake.
Good Luck
Rick
 
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GreyStreet41

Enthusiast
I would use a 4 ft long flexible drill bit.
Greenlee makes one, and you can find it at the Depot, or Lowes.
Cut out a hole for your box behind the TV. Then drill to the left, (horizontally)
until you're into the stud cavity over the existing cable jack.
The drill bit I mentioned, has a small hole in it. So it can be used as a snake.
Good Luck
Rick
Rick,

I know exactly what you are talking about! So once I drill to the left, how do I go down towards the cable jack? Fish a tape up and try to pull the bit down?

Nathan
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Rick,

I know exactly what you are talking about! So once I drill to the left, how do I go down towards the cable jack? Fish a tape up and try to pull the bit down?

Nathan
Hi Nathan,
You will have to cut a hole, so you can hook the wire to the end of the bit.
Are you going to have your equipment rack right there?
If so, you could cover the hole with a blank plate, and it would be hidden by the rack. That is if you don't want to patch and paint it.
 
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GreyStreet41

Enthusiast
Look at this thread!

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42961

This comes up again and again. The wall above a fireplace, is NO PLACE to mount a TV.
Ok, I read through it all. I said we wont be using our fireplace, so that wont be a issue. As far as how high the tv is going to be... I looked at my current tv (57" Widescreen that sits on the floor) and then imagined where the new tv would be and I looked at that location and noticed that my head did not move at all - just my eyes.

I can see this being a issue if your TV is above your fireplace and you are sitting 7 feet from it which would cause you to look up the entire time. We will be sitting roughly 15-17 from it.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
Ok, I read through it all. I said we wont be using our fireplace, so that wont be a issue. As far as how high the tv is going to be... I looked at my current tv (57" Widescreen that sits on the floor) and then imagined where the new tv would be and I looked at that location and noticed that my head did not move at all - just my eyes.

I can see this being a issue if your TV is above your fireplace and you are sitting 7 feet from it which would cause you to look up the entire time. We will be sitting roughly 15-17 from it.
from that distance you might consider a larger screen and 500 dollars also is that expensive, if electrical has to be relocated.
 
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GreyStreet41

Enthusiast
from that distance you might consider a larger screen and 500 dollars also is that expensive, if electrical has to be relocated.
Well the room is 19 ft long, and I dont think our couch will be all the way back. So my estimate of how far from the tv we would be may be off. We would probably be closer. Im probably 9-10ft from my tv now, and my point was even looking at the location of where it would be mounted at, my head was still in the same location and didnt need to move. So I wouldnt find it an issue because we wouldnt be looking up at a severe angle.

Best Buy wont do the electical part. Its only mounting the tv and running the AV cable.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Realistically:

Open up the wall and run all the cables you need. This is a new house and a new room. You can spend hours and hours and a fair bit of money on specialty tools. In reality, you are likely looking at an outside wall which means you are likely to find a fair bit of insulation behind the wall which makes running wires up, down, and side to side far more difficult.

Drywall work isn't fun, but you can just cut a few holes, run the wires easily in a couple of hours, get your 5.1 or 7.1 audio in place, pick a spot EXACTLY where you want for all the gear to go - instead of right next to the fireplace perhaps. And then spend a couple of hours patching holes - or spend a few hundred bucks having the drywall repaired by someone else.

Then just throw a new coat of paint, of your choise up on the walls.

While doing the drywall cutting, why not add some recessed lights, the outlets you need, and a few other touches to the room at the same time.

Really, if you do it all yourself, it could take a weekend to do it properly, with painting, and you get exactly what you want - with a cost of about $100 or so, including the paint!
 
unreal.freak

unreal.freak

Senior Audioholic
You may want to explore the idea of running the HDMI around behind the baseboards, and up the side of the fireplace hearth/mantle. You could router the side of the mantle up against the wall and hide the HDMI cable there.

It will be difficult to pull a HDMI cable through the wall without a direct line of sight. Someone already mentioned that this is an outside wall and it will most likely be insulated. Also the ends of HDMI cables are bulky and would be very difficult to pull through any hole you may drill sideways.

You could also drill a hole at the top of the wall and pull the HDMI cable from the existing cable outlet, straight up, and out the wall 1" from the ceiling and use crown molding up there to hide the HDMI cable behind as you go over to the fireplace. Then just go behind the wall down to the spot you have picked out behind the tv. Just a couple other thoughts that may help you decide what to do. I wish you luck.

Peace,
Tommy
 
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GreyStreet41

Enthusiast
Thanks for the input guys. has anyone else done this and been faced with the same situation I am in?

I wonder what method the Best Buy install guys would use?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Rick,
I know exactly what you are talking about! So once I drill to the left, how do I go down towards the cable jack? Fish a tape up and try to pull the bit down?
Nathan
If you decide to mount the TV above the mantle, check with a stud finder where the header that spans the fire place cavity is at. It may or may not be an issue. Then, see how many studs you have to drill through. I bet it will be more than one:eek:
Then, consider the HDMI cable's connector size as they approach 1" or close to it. No small task to drill that with a flex drill that long, or even shorter.

Is this on the 2nd floor as you mentioned the attic? If yes, going up, over and down may be fine. Measure the distance and see what we are talking about. There are HDMI for that distance, not that expensive for a good cable from BlueJeans, and may be less hassle.

Will you be placing a center speaker there as well?
Just a reiteration about the height; you are forewarned;)
 
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GreyStreet41

Enthusiast
If you decide to mount the TV above the mantle, check with a stud finder where the header that spans the fire place cavity is at. It may or may not be an issue. Then, see how many studs you have to drill through. I bet it will be more than one:eek:
Then, consider the HDMI cable's connector size as they approach 1" or close to it. No small task to drill that with a flex drill that long, or even shorter.

Is this on the 2nd floor as you mentioned the attic? If yes, going up, over and down may be fine. Measure the distance and see what we are talking about. There are HDMI for that distance, not that expensive for a good cable from BlueJeans, and may be less hassle.

Will you be placing a center speaker there as well?
Just a reiteration about the height; you are forewarned;)
The TV will be on the first floor. There will be the 2nd floor above it, then the attic area above that. Do you think it would still be easier to go up to the attic, over and back down? Or better to drill horizontally to the side?
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
I have run any number of wires throughout my house which is why I made the recommendation I did. It should be added that while HDMI is great, you will find more than a few horror stories here, so you may want to go ahead and run two HDMI cables, and component, and composite, maybe CAT-5 as well for later networking of your TV, or to put a Wii transmitter, or IR repeater under the display.

There are so many reasons to open up the wall, and just a few (big) reasons not to.

The biggest, and most obvious reason is that there is likely no real way to get a 'perfect' match to the existing paint job, so you really will have to repaint the entire room.

But, this is the time to do it. It's your new home, and a fresh coat of paint in the family room is a killer thing to do. Plus, the other things you could do at this time would make it a real attraction for years to come.

My two most similar incidents in my new home...

1. Running power up to lighting in my study - There was a couple of 2x4 fire stops in the way of my cabling run along with a pipe for the bathroom. I just cut a couple of holes, drilled through, ran the wires I wanted and then patched them up. To do a good job, I put on several coats of spackle and sanded several times.

2. Kids playroom, installing 32" LCD. I wanted it centered on an outside wall but hadn't run conduit to that location. So, I cut a hole up high on the wall where cables were to drop down and drilled upward into the attic. Found the spot to drill into, and ran cables from the attic down - into an insulated outside wall, and then fished them down to where the 32" LCD currently sits. Patching, once again, was just a couple of days of spackling and sanding with a fair bit of waiting for spackle to dry.

The painting in these locations was easy enough because it was a new home and we had the correct shade of paint on hand.

Fishing wires can be done for many things, but quite often, it just isn't a practical solution, and you end up fighting the limitations of what you can do, instead of doing what you truly want to do.

If you're just moving in, and it's your house - do it all NOW! Make the most of it and enjoy some recessed/zone lighting, bury the 7.1 channels of audio in the wall. Move the rack from next to the fireplace, to next to the couch so it doesn't mess with the line of sight in the room. There are so many options you have available to you it's really a very cool open door.

Don't let that drywall hold you back.

From what I've seen with Best Buy wiring, it typically isn't very pretty and I've only encountered straight down drops of wires from them within the same stud cavity. They could probably do an in-wall of this level, but it likely wouldn't fall under a 'basic' installation cost which they may advertise. Yours would be a retrofit, no access level installation - which typically increases cost significantly.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
The wall to the right of the FP is begging for your HT set-up. Take it from a guy who started out with his plasma above the FP and the center in the FP, YOU DONT WANT IT THERE. It will be a huge strain on your neck even if it doesnt seem like it as you look up there now. Attached is a before and after picture of my set-up, I am thankful I never actually ran the wires when it was above the FP.

 
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GreyStreet41

Enthusiast
I have run any number of wires throughout my house which is why I made the recommendation I did. It should be added that while HDMI is great, you will find more than a few horror stories here, so you may want to go ahead and run two HDMI cables, and component, and composite, maybe CAT-5 as well for later networking of your TV, or to put a Wii transmitter, or IR repeater under the display.

There are so many reasons to open up the wall, and just a few (big) reasons not to.

The biggest, and most obvious reason is that there is likely no real way to get a 'perfect' match to the existing paint job, so you really will have to repaint the entire room.

But, this is the time to do it. It's your new home, and a fresh coat of paint in the family room is a killer thing to do. Plus, the other things you could do at this time would make it a real attraction for years to come.

My two most similar incidents in my new home...

1. Running power up to lighting in my study - There was a couple of 2x4 fire stops in the way of my cabling run along with a pipe for the bathroom. I just cut a couple of holes, drilled through, ran the wires I wanted and then patched them up. To do a good job, I put on several coats of spackle and sanded several times.

2. Kids playroom, installing 32" LCD. I wanted it centered on an outside wall but hadn't run conduit to that location. So, I cut a hole up high on the wall where cables were to drop down and drilled upward into the attic. Found the spot to drill into, and ran cables from the attic down - into an insulated outside wall, and then fished them down to where the 32" LCD currently sits. Patching, once again, was just a couple of days of spackling and sanding with a fair bit of waiting for spackle to dry.

The painting in these locations was easy enough because it was a new home and we had the correct shade of paint on hand.

Fishing wires can be done for many things, but quite often, it just isn't a practical solution, and you end up fighting the limitations of what you can do, instead of doing what you truly want to do.

If you're just moving in, and it's your house - do it all NOW! Make the most of it and enjoy some recessed/zone lighting, bury the 7.1 channels of audio in the wall. Move the rack from next to the fireplace, to next to the couch so it doesn't mess with the line of sight in the room. There are so many options you have available to you it's really a very cool open door.

Don't let that drywall hold you back.

From what I've seen with Best Buy wiring, it typically isn't very pretty and I've only encountered straight down drops of wires from them within the same stud cavity. They could probably do an in-wall of this level, but it likely wouldn't fall under a 'basic' installation cost which they may advertise. Yours would be a retrofit, no access level installation - which typically increases cost significantly.
Wow thanks for the input! I am always hesitant on this method because I dont have a lot of experience with working with drywall. Yes, we plan on painting the room... I just want a nice wall to paint! If I were only running cables to the left of the fireplace (which is where we will put our component shelf) how large of a chunk of drywall should I cut out?
 
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GreyStreet41

Enthusiast
The wall to the right of the FP is begging for your HT set-up. Take it from a guy who started out with his plasma above the FP and the center in the FP, YOU DONT WANT IT THERE. It will be a huge strain on your neck even if it doesnt seem like it as you look up there now. Attached is a before and after picture of my set-up, I am thankful I never actually ran the wires when it was above the FP.
Awesome setup! What did you do with the fireplace? Was it just uncomfortable looking at the tv or what? I think my wife and I were just lookin at your exact tv tonight at HH Gregg
 
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