Have I been stood up?

[Joe Schmoe]

Ouch......

Is something hurting you? Sorry to hear that.

 

[trnqk7]

If you want to be Catholic, you might want to do a little research on "Papal Infallibility". It is doctrine and it is still in effect. Perhaps the Catholic Church is not the right fit for you, perhaps a more self-directed religion would work better with your beliefs.

You are probably correct-I am trying to convince my wife of this slowly. However, I find that most Catholics that I know do not agree with everything the Pope says-whether they "follow the rules" or not.

I dislike the different sects of Christianity, but view them all as a vehicle to the same place, and that none of them are any "better" than the others for getting there. That is my view, and I won't try to force it on you. I was merely making a point about having free will and making my own choices.

 

[Halon451]

As a non-religious man myself I can only say that Joe is confusing in the fact that he admonishes religous dictations (as he sees it), and blasts those who blindly follow religious rules, yet he is calling for governmental control on some of our most basic human and civil liberties.

(Sniff, sniff...) I smell hypocrisy. And I think I'm about done with this thread, and with Joe. Good luck finding your online soul-mate (maybe she'll have a cool username, or won't cost that much).

Adios.

 

[Johnd]

Is something hurting you? Sorry to hear that.

Well...the best quote I've come across lately is that of ex-NYSE director Ken Langone speaking of ex-NY Governor Eliot Spitzer's latest indiscretion:

"We all have our own private hells. I hope his private hell is hotter than anybody else's."

Not to speak for Halon, as he is perfectly capable, but perhaps he was feeling the HEAT. Ouch!

 

[Johnd]

Good luck finding your online soul-mate (maybe she'll have a cool username, or won't cost that much).

Adios.

$19.89. Name? Judy (or John ).

http://www.prankplace.com/inflatables.htm

Don't go away Halon...the fun's just beginning.

 

[NickN]

I have been told by a Catholic priest in the past that the church will allow to you believe and practice as you want as long as you yourself can fully and honestly morally accept your beliefs and practices. (And lets not take this statement out of line, it was intend to be talking about such things as birth control).

 

[trnqk7]

From Wikipedia however:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
Instances of papal infallibility

Many non-Catholics, and even some Catholics, wrongly believe that the doctrine teaches that the Pope is infallible in everything he says. In fact, the use of papal infallibility is rare.

Catholic theologians agree that both Pope Pius IX's 1854 definition of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, and Pope Pius XII's 1950 definition of the dogma of the Assumption of Mary are instances of papal infallibility, a fact which has been confirmed by the Church's magisterium [1]. However, theologians disagree about what other documents qualify.

So although there is a doctrine-not everything the Pope says is infallible. It has to be something very specific. Just thought it would be interesting for all-especially some Catholics on here. If there are other resources that point this as being incorrect, enlighten me. Wikipedia is merely quick, not always entirely correct

 

[Joe Schmoe]

yet he is calling for governmental control on some of our most basic human and civil liberties.

This is the worst misinterpretation I have seen yet! Show me a sentence anywhere in this thread where I have suggested governmental control of anything. As you said yourself, I am very liberal. That implies opposing government control over individual behaviour.

 

[Halon451]

This is the worst misinterpretation I have seen yet! Show me a sentence anywhere in this thread where I have suggested governmental control of anything. As you said yourself, I am very liberal. That implies opposing government control over individual behaviour.

See below... John, you're right - I just can't pull myself away.

As for the disease issue, a condom should be considered 100% mandatory whenever anybody has sex, unless they are married and want kids (and then only if they have a doctor's OK.)

So, who do you expect to exert this mandatory decree? Yourself? Are you going to personally go to everyone's house and enforce such a rule? No, this implies a governmental restriction on said liberties. And if it wasn't "meant" that way, then it shouldn't have been said, period.

Tally up your scorecard thus far Joe - I think you've got a lot of catching up to do.

 

[Johnd]

See below... John, you're right - I just can't pull myself away.

Yeah. It's kinda like looking at the sun.

 

[Johnd]

And if it wasn't "meant" that way, then it shouldn't have been said, period.

Hmmm. Deja vu.

 

[Tarub]

Here we go Joe, UNDERAGE girls that you can..... Wow!!! Dateline

 

[Joe Schmoe]

So, who do you expect to exert this mandatory decree?

"mandatory" meaning something that everyone should choose to do in every case, not meaning a law. It is a matter of education, not enforcement.

No, I don't have any "catching up" to do. I am always right, and always express myself clearly. It is those of you who misread my statements through the cloudy lenses of your own agendas who need to catch up.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Yeah. It's kinda like looking at the sun.

That makes sense. The sun is also extremely bright.

 

[trnqk7]

so now you are infallible and without any error, ever? wow...

and mandatory:

1. authoritatively ordered; obligatory; compulsory: It is mandatory that all students take two years of math.
2. pertaining to, of the nature of, or containing a command.
3. Law. permitting no option; not to be disregarded or modified: a mandatory clause.
4. having received a mandate, as a nation.

There, by definition. QED.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

so now you are infallible and without any error, ever? wow...

Yes. Get used to it.

 

[Johnd]

That makes sense. The sun is also extremely bright.

Hah!!!

 

[Johnd]

"mandatory" meaning something that everyone should choose to do in every case, not meaning a law. It is a matter of education, not enforcement.

No, I don't have any "catching up" to do. I am always right, and always express myself clearly. It is those of you who misread my statements through the cloudy lenses of your own agendas who need to catch up.

""Mandatory" meaning something that everyone should choose to do in every case." Well, that would be "voluntary" then, would it not? Mandatory infers an imperative and compulsion and a lack of discretion.

Hmm. Words.

 

[Johnd]

Quote:Originally Posted by trnqk7
so now you are infallible and without any error, ever? wow...

Quote:Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe
Yes. Get used to it.

Well, if you're infallible, how can you not persuade these women to go out with you then, since that is your desire and how you have behaved?

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Well, if you're infallible, how can you not persuade these women to go out with you then, since that is your desire and how you have behaved?

Obviously, too much perfection scares them off.
Maybe I should behave more like the dog I am.