a few newbie quuestions (tower 2.0 setup)

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geobee

Audiophyte
Hello,

I have been lurking for a couple weeks and trying to learn as much as I can before posting.

The Basics:
Room: approx 20W 28L vaulted ceiling in half up to 12 feet.

Budget: Speakers + Amp/Receiver + cables/speaker wire + shipping = $1200.

Music Source: Zune using Microsoft Zune Home AV Kit. The music on the zune is all from the zune pass (each song is WMA 192kbs), I have not ripped any cd's onto it.

What I want: Two tower speakers and an integrated amp.

I do not plan on converting this system into a 5.1 surround. I currently have no speakers or receivers; I do most of my current music listening through my computers 2.1 system.

Possibility: Saturday audio has NAD C352 + Image T45 Tower = 950 not including shipping or speaker wires.

I do plan on going out and listening to speakers to get a feel for what I like, but I wanted to get a baseline on what I should be looking for.

Within my budget, how much should I look to spend on speakers and then on the amp/receiver?

Since the source of music is the zune with the zune pass (WMA 192kbs), is the above listed system from Saturday over kill?

Is the NAD C352 more powerful that what I would need for tower speakers in the 500-700-price range?

Summary: Looking for 2.0 system. $1200 budget. Music source Zune (each song is WMA 192kbs).
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You have a pretty large room.

You want a pair of full range towers because you don't want a subwoofer. You want these towers to go down to 20Hz!

You might be able to buy a pair of Definitive Technology BP10Bs for $700 + tax.

Specs per Julian Hirsch/Stereo Review: 20Hz-20kHz +/-5dB.

The thing about bipolar speakers is that they require 4-5 feet from the front wall (behind the speakers) and 4-5 feet from the side walls, with about 8 feet between the 2 towers.

Something to consider.

http://www.definitivetech.com/reviews/reviews_PDFs/BP10_SR291.pdf
 
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geobee

Audiophyte
I will remember the towers need to go down to 20Hz. I have mistated the room size a bit. Its a great room with an open floor plan into the dining room.

I don't think I could get 4 -5 behind the speakers, it would all depend on placement. I had planned on putting them next to the TV, which would only allow 3 feet behind them. I will try and find a place in my area (detroit area) which sells them, so I can take a listen.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I will remember the towers need to go down to 20Hz. I have mistated the room size a bit. Its a great room with an open floor plan into the dining room.

I don't think I could get 4 -5 behind the speakers, it would all depend on placement. I had planned on putting them next to the TV, which would only allow 3 feet behind them. I will try and find a place in my area (detroit area) which sells them, so I can take a listen.
I have my bipolar speakers about 2 feet from the front wall and 3 feet from the side walls, and so mine are not "ideally" placed, but they still sound fantastic.

So I think 3 feet behind them is great -- better than mine.

But my next HT room will need to be very large so that I can place them about 5 feet from the front walls and 5 feet from the side walls.:D
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
PSB and NAD have good synergy together so that would be a very solid system for the price.

Also per ADTG recommendation here is a pair of used BP10B for good price.
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1206923079

Pair it with a Cambridge Audio 640A integrated for $399.
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?intatran&1206312118

Good system as well for $800 plus shipping. I personally don't care too much for DT when it comes to music but you might like them so check out both.

Here is also a pair of Quad 21L from saturday audio for $700.
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1206481305
 
MUDSHARK

MUDSHARK

Audioholic Chief
I can't tnink of any tower that goes to 20, 40 (+/- 3) would be terrific. You might consider Axiom M-50 as well. Those are nice integrated amplifiers by NAD. Also Cambridge. You would do well with either.
 
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John Bailey

Audioholic
I've had very good sound from the NAD/PSB combination. If you shop, you'll be able to pair the NAD 352 with either the Image T-55 or T65. In your room, they would make more sense. Of course, always let yours ears tell you what's right.

John
 
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Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
There's no reason for a music only system to go down to 20Hz. Very little music extends anywhere near that low, unless you want to listen to pipe organ music. If you get down to 35Hz, you're doing fine for a music only system.
 
Brett A

Brett A

Audioholic
If you get down to 35Hz, you're doing fine for a music only system.
I'd second this.

I have a pair of new B&W 863 3-way floorstanders that are spec'd 38Hz-22kHz +/-3dB and they go low enough to reveal a musicians heel ponding on the stage floor (I think of Lambchop's "Is a Woman" CD, or Thelonious Monk at Newport on vinyl)---enough to make me think someone might be in the house. And when they get a hold of musical information in this low range, it can be quite stirring.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I would say most 192kbps mp3s won't do your proposed setup any justice. It's likely you will be able to hear compression. 320kbps would be much better. I usually can't tell if it's in the 250kbps range.
 
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geobee

Audiophyte
Thanks Seth=L. That is a concern of mine, unfortunately at this time that is how all of my music is. In the write your own review section, I found a review of the Pioneer Elite A-35R Integrated Amplifier. Maybe I will go with something along those lines.

In the meantime I need to get out and listen to some speakers, I went to the magnolia section of best buy today. I heard the BP7006BLA from Def Tech and the RF-62BLA from Klipsch. I did not like the Klipsch at all.
 
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rlj676

Audioholic Intern
If you're in the Detroit area you can check out PSB and NAD at Audio Video Alternatives on Woodward in RO. There's also about 3 other shops around there on woodward with various brands. One carries B&W and Klipsch speakers, and Pio, Yamaha, Rotel electronics I believe.

I've found the people at Audio Video Alternatives to be very helpful.

I'd recommend bringing your Zune to connect and see what it sounds like on those setups.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
PSB + NAD = some of the sweetest sound I've heard. In a room of your size, I would spring for the T65s as they will dig the deepest in the bass out of the 3 towers offered by PSB in Image series.
 
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geobee

Audiophyte
Going to listen!!

I found dealers in my area who sell: KEF, PSB, Deftech, Energy, Paradigm, B&W, Klipsch and Martin Logan.

So I will take the next few weeks to go out and enjoy myself listening to some tower speakers. It should be fun. I will bring my zune and a few CD's.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I found dealers in my area who sell: KEF, PSB, Deftech, Energy, Paradigm, B&W, Klipsch and Martin Logan.

So I will take the next few weeks to go out and enjoy myself listening to some tower speakers. It should be fun. I will bring my zune and a few CD's.
some tips to listening to speakers;

What I would do is to take a pad of paper with you, write down the make and
model of each speaker you audition and what you liked and disliked about the
speakers you were auditioning. Was the bass tight and deep or was it boomy and loose sounding? Were the mids life like or were they hollow or just too pronounced? Was the treble irritating and harsh or were they dark and not revealing or were they smooth that made you want to listen for more? How was the imaging?

Bring music with you that you are very familiar with and know quite well. I would go to speciality stores first and start auditioning speakers. The specality stores are better setup acousticaly then the big box stores which will make auditioning a little easier. It willgive you an idea of what you like in a speaker.

Keep track of what amp or receiver is powering the speakers you're auditioning. Try to get a receiver/amp that closest resembles what you have or want to get. It just reduces another variable when audtioning speakers.

One thing to keep note off. When auditioning speakers, make sure the volume
levels are matched between the diiferent speaker pairs because the louder
speaker pair will always sound better. Listen to levels that you think you
would listen to most of the time because thats how you are going to be using
them most of the time. Blasting is fun too but only do it if you think you'll
listen to them at loud volume levels once in a while.
 
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