Rap not only sucks ,it causes seizures.

highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Some rappers glamorize it, but not all...
Ill be the 1st to admit that but when the majority of the most respected & highest paid rappers are what drive the market, its hard to respect rap.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Ironically when rap made it's debut it wasn't violent "gangsta" crap, it quickly degenerated into what it is today by morons like ICE-T, remember his cop killer song.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Ironically when rap made it's debut it wasn't violent "gangsta" crap, it quickly degenerated into what it is today by morons like ICE-T, remember his cop killer song.
And now the guy plays a cop on television. :eek:

 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Ironies of ironies.:eek: I could never stand that guy.
Out of all the the "hard core" rappers, I don't mind Ice-T. I wasn't a fan of his song, especially being an ex-cop. And I think it's bullsh!t how this guy became a millionaire (or maybe I'm jealous). But I don't have any animosity toward him.

Now someone mentioned 2 Pac. I'm glad he is in the ground. I only wish I would have done it.
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
You could choose specific people from any genre to dislike. It doesn't mean the whole genre is crap. The popular rap might be mostly crap, but that's because the major record labels promote it, and MTV picks it up... and then the youth eats that stuff up like they are valiums.


Mos Def - Mathematics

"Young teens and prison greens facin life numbers
Crack mothers, crack babies and AIDS patients
Young bloods can't spell but they could rock you in PlayStation
This new math is whippin mother****ers ***
You wanna know how to rhyme you better learn how to add
It's mathematics"

Damian Marley feat Nas - Road to Zion

Michael Franti - Ganja Babe
 
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highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
You could choose specific people from any genre to dislike. It doesn't mean the whole genre is crap.
Thats easy to say but in reality its not possible to pick from any other genre the type of dangerous glorified thugs that dominate rap,it cant be done.
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
Thats easy to say but in reality its not possible to pick from any other genre the type of dangerous glorified thugs that dominate rap,it cant be done.
It's difficult to say they are dangerous, glorified thugs without have met them. You're going off the assumption that humans are good or evil, but it is tough to determine that because things are so situational. I can't defend or condemn your example of Tupac, because I didn't live his life. He could have been a bad person, but arrest records don't really tell you that. Just because someone delt crack or joined a gang doesn't neccessarly mean they are a bad person. That I do know. With rape, nine times out of ten the girl wanted to have sex to begin with, and then after regret set in they are all the sudden "raped." Even MTV's kiss-*** reporting more or less defended Tupac on his sodomy/rape charges - the girl blew him in a nightclub before they went up stairs. Chances are she wanted it, and then regretted it. Or maybe not, we just can't know.



In my best Bradley Nowell or Marley impression:
"Judge not,
before you judge yourself,
judge not,
or you're not ready for judgement OOOHHHHH...well..

the road to life is rocky,
and you may stumble too,
so while you're laughing at me,
someone else is judging you... "
 
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highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
And now the guy plays a cop on television. :eek:

While the song Cop Killer gathered all the media attention it was not Ice-T's most violent song.

Last Breath by ICE-T.

OOOOOOHHH am i dreaming ?
OOOOOOHHH am i dreaming ?
Am i alone ?
OOOOOOHHH am i dreaming ?
Am i alone ?
YEAH!!!!
I like to wait till late at night, till you muthaf---ers sleep
I crawl in through your bedroom window & i muthaf---in creep
I catch your little punk a$$ kids asleep in their beds
And i take out my knife & I cut off their muthaf---in heads !
I want your last breath !
I want your last breath !
Your not dreaming
Your not alone
Your not dreaming
Your not alone

(Maniacal laughter)

OOOOHHH i want your last breath
Your last breath
Your last breath

So you go downstairs to see if everything is allright
Your afraid,your alone & its late on a rainy night
Are you asleep or awake you dont know as you turn around
And my rusty blade cuts you open & you hit the ground

I WANT YOUR LAST BREATH !

YOUR NOT DREAMING !
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
It's difficult to say they are dangerous, glorified thugs without have met them. You're going off the assumption that humans are good or evil, but it is tough to determine that because things are so situational. I can't defend or condemn your example of Tupac, because I didn't live his life. He could have been a bad person, but arrest records don't really tell you that. Just because someone delt crack or joined a gang doesn't neccessarly mean they are a bad person. With rape, nine times out of ten the girl wanted to have sex to begin with, and then after regret set in they are all the sudden "raped." Even MTV's kiss-*** reporting more or less defended Tupac on his sodomy/rape charges - the girl blew him in a nightclub before they went up stairs. Changes are she wanted it, and then regretted it



In my best Bradley Nowell or Marley impression:
"Judge not,
before you judge yourself,
judge not,
or you're not ready for judgement OOOHHHHH...well..

the road to life is rocky,
and you may stumble too,
so while you're laughing at me,
someone else is judging you... "
With most rape's 9 times out of 10 the girl wanted it,wtf :confused:

A few things i learned while i was in prison.

1 First impressions are accurate.

2 A persons reputation is always based on truth.

3 Arrest records tell the complete story of a criminal.

4 Jury's rarely convict innocent people.

5 Everybody in prison belongs there & deserved their sentance.

I dont need to know those guy's personally to judge weather their good or evil,most people are good deep down but these guy's are different,ive dealt with their kind most of my younger life & i can spot em a mile away.

When a guy has a $50 million dollar bank account & that is not enough to entice him to act right & enjoy the good life,i think it's pretty safe to say you cant take the savage outta him.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
It's difficult to say they are dangerous, glorified thugs without have met them. You're going off the assumption that humans are good or evil, but it is tough to determine that because things are so situational. I can't defend or condemn your example of Tupac, because I didn't live his life. He could have been a bad person, but arrest records don't really tell you that. Just because someone delt crack or joined a gang doesn't neccessarly mean they are a bad person. That I do know. With rape, nine times out of ten the girl wanted to have sex to begin with, and then after regret set in they are all the sudden "raped." Even MTV's kiss-*** reporting more or less defended Tupac on his sodomy/rape charges - the girl blew him in a nightclub before they went up stairs. Chances are she wanted it, and then regretted it. Or maybe not, we just can't know.



In my best Bradley Nowell or Marley impression:
"Judge not,
before you judge yourself,
judge not,
or you're not ready for judgement OOOHHHHH...well..

the road to life is rocky,
and you may stumble too,
so while you're laughing at me,
someone else is judging you... "
This is the most illogical post I've read in a long time. Hitler wasn't evil, just misguided, right? Neither were Mao, Castro nor the long line of sadistic leaders since the beginning of history, Caligula, Hannibal, etc., etc. They were just misguided, and since we didn't walk in their shoes we (society) can't judge them right? Your logic escapes me, I suppose you have statistical data to prove your claims regarding the rape cases. I see you lean in to the "don't judge lest you be judged philosophy," well that's been so distorted and taken out of context from it's original meaning and pretext that it's become the banner for the relativist crowd, which to me sounds pretty close to what you're espousing. Situations are defined by the actions of a person or persons, if I were to go out and murder and rape, weather I belonged to a gang or not that makes me evil, a murderer, a rapist and worthy of full punishment as prescribed by society, mainly forfeiting my life or spending it behind bars. It's not "tough" to judge someone evil or not, actions speak louder than words. The music produced by these people glorified killing innocents, police officers, women, other gang members, turning women into "hos", drug dealing rape, no these aren't evil right? Just misguided.
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
hifihoney,

You commited a crime of some sort, went to prison, but does that make you a bad guy? I can't say. That's all I'm really saying. You seem alright to me. :)

stratman,

Mass executions and selling smack aren't really in the same league, even if they are in the same sport. I think people can get caught up in something like a gang and grow to believe in it, and they do bad things - no doubt. But, I just have a hard time passing judgement on decisions like that and saying someone is evil because they were/are in a gang. That's all, I don't really think you and I disagree as much as you think we do, we are just using different words to describe it. ;)

It's not "tough" to judge someone evil or not, actions speak louder than words. The music produced by these people glorified killing innocents, police officers, women, other gang members, turning women into "hos", drug dealing rape, no these aren't evil right? Just misguided.
I think there is rap that glorifies these things, and then there is rap that tells of them.

Please don't bite my head off anyone, I'm not trying to set anyone off. ;)
 
Thaedium

Thaedium

Audioholic
Thank you Hifihoney for choosing Tupac as your Pièce de résistance. He is a Rapper who I've personally have done much reading and studying thereof, not to mention own every one of his albulms pre and post mortum.

Would any white singer/actor be held in such high esteem if his mother was in the KKK & his father murdered a black security guard who was simply doing his job ?????
You are bringing up a non-issue in this. White or Black, the merrits of a singer/actor are determined by their body of work and not their familys choices, good or poor.

2 Pac shot 2 off duty cops,not that they didnt deserve it, its his mentality being shown.
Yes Tupac did shoot two off duty cops. Charges against Shakur were dismissed when it was discovered that both officers were intoxicated and were in possession of stolen weapons from an evidence locker during the occasion. They were also harassing a black motorist at the time. While I don't condone violence against law enforcement, given Tupac's upbringing, and past incidences with police (IE: 1991 suffering a brutal beating from cops jaywalking) he did what he felt was necessary. Also a point to note, none of the shots were life threatening and were taken at below centre of mass.

2 pac convicted & sentanced for Sodomy & molestation.
Interestingly enough, he was not even in the room when this happened to the woman. A fairly well established fact in his court procedings. He was deemed responsible nonetheless because it was his party and his entourage. Not to mention, he was actually charged with 3 counts of molestation, as the charges for sodomy were dropped. Tupac has always denied this, and there is good reason to believe him. From an artist who created songs early in his career like "Brenda's got a baby" and "keep ya head up" he has shown great respect for women. In this, I believe whole heartedly that Tupac was not guilty, but at the end of the day, that is really all I can offer on this particular situation. Believe what you will.

2 Pac,along with his gang,the Leuder park Piru's, are involved in a shooting with the Crip's that leaves a 6 year old boy dead from a stray bullet,Tupac settled out of court.
Yes, and ballistics have shown that the round that caused the death was not from Tupac or the Piru's. Though you may indicate that this is what appears as senseless violence, I'm sure you would protect yourself if people tried to end your life, and if that required you to shoot back, I'm sure you would as well.

2 Pac is shot 5 times while being robbed by rival gang members,survived only to continue gang life or "thug life" which was his philosophy of life.
Tupac was indeed shot 5 times while entering the lobby of Quad Recording Studios. He survived and three hours after his surgeries, despite urgings of the hospital left. He was present in a wheel chair the very next morning for his sentencing regarding the sexual abuse trial.

Amusingly, you have like so many others vastly misunderstood what "Thug Life" meant to Tupac. Thug Life was an acronymn for "The Hate U Give Little Infants F*cks Everyone", and was part of his political and social philosphies. The fact that you, and others tout Thug Life as some sort of gang related and violence promoting concept is pure and utter trash.


2 Pac's arrest record.

Assault.
Drug possession.
Battery.
Resisting arrest.
Unlawful possession of a firearm.
Sodomy.
Assault.
Sexual battery.
Unlawful possession of a firearm.

Arrest records don't mean much to me. For instance, in my arrest record I have the following:

Possession of Property obtained by Crime
Assault causing bodily harm

Neither of which was I convicted for, and in court both charges were withdrawn. Both were two completely unrelated issues, and to anyone who merely looks at it I'm sure it seems I'm a bad person. However, each charge has its own story, and the reasons for me being in those situations were based on ethical and principled decisions I have made. As is the case for Tupac Shakur. I'm not exonerating him of poor decisions, merely indicating that much of what he did was based on his circumstances in life. Were their better ways to handle these situations in his life? I'm sure there was, but I wasn't there to know, nor were you.

But he was framed.!!
Flippant and sardonic commentary does not strengthen your viewpoint on this, it just demonstrates how you feel regardless of a complete understanding of his life.

What i dont get is what any rap enthusiast identify's with in his music,unless you've been involved in gang life,lived in a ghetto & sold drugs or been to prison theres nothing there in the lyrics for the average listener except to glorify gang life.
I have been involved with gang life when I was growing up, and I grew up in a ghetto. I've seen first hand how poverty, poor education, and crappy environments contribute to the decline of the human condition. You pass judgement on Tupac's entire body of work based on one or two songs you don't understand and say that he glorifies gang life. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Tupac took from his experiences in life and put out a large amount of work to call for changes in social and political terms in order to help people in destitute situations. He does not glorify gang life, he illustrates it quite graphically in his lyrics to illicit responses and interest in the many topics he covers. I will list for you some of the songs he has done that advocate change and positive messages.

Brenda's Got a Baby
Trapped
Soulja's Story
Violent
Words of Wisdom...

In fact pretty much every song on 2pacalypse Now albulm is a direct political message advocating change.

I ain't Mad at Cha
Changes
Dear Mama
Keep Ya Head Up
So Many Tears
Unconditional Love
Life Goes On
Shorty Wanna Be a Thug
Wonda Why They Call U *****
Only God Can Judge Me
Never B Peace
Mama's Just a Little Girl
My Block
Better Dayz
Who Do You Believe In
They Dont Give a F*ck About Us
Ghetto Gospel
Black Cotton
It Ain't Easy
Nothing to Lose
Hold On Be Strong
16 On Death Row
The Streets R Deathrow
Letter 2 My Unborn Child
Happy Home
When Thugz Cry
Words 2 My First Born


And many more.


Bury Me a G isn't a classic Tupac song, just for your information. It was released Post Mortum, and was written to illustrate his life growing up. Its not meant to be a song with a positive message, but one illustrating the life of many many people who grow up then and now. It should make you realize that things need to change in order to prevent worse from occuring in life.

You also misinterpret many of the words he uses in his songs, such as *****es and N*ggaz. *****es had, in his lyrics, usually 3 different meanings. One was used to describe shady people who weren't trustworthy. Another was used to describe the type of female who has no self respect. And the last use for it being the general intent for the word.

N.I.G.G.A was also another acronymn, not meaning the same as N*GGER. It stood for Never Ignorant Getting Goals Achieved. A very different connotation from the traditional meaning of it.

So if you actually spent some time learning and listening instead of mouthing off about a subject you clearly have little understanding of then you might change your perspective of rap. I'm not saying you have to like it, I'm saying your baseless opinions made on surface judgements mean nothing to me or any real rap enthusiast.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
hifihoney,

You commited a crime of some sort, went to prison, but does that make you a bad guy? I can't say. That's all I'm really saying. You seem alright to me. :)

stratman,

Mass executions and selling smack aren't really in the same league, even if they are in the same sport. I think people can get caught up in something like a gang and grow to believe in it, and they do bad things - no doubt. But, I just have a hard time passing judgement on decisions like that and saying someone is evil because they were/are in a gang. That's all, I don't really think you and I disagree as much as you think we do, we are just using different words to describe it. ;)



I think there is rap that glorifies these things, and then there is rap that tells of them.

Please don't bite my head off anyone, I'm not trying to set anyone off. ;)

I really didn't mean to sound as if I was biting you head off I just found it very alarming, evil is evil, what a person has to be weary of is self-righteous judgment. There are different levels of evil, and there are ex-gang guys that have reformed that are productive members of society, same with people that went to jail, I have zero problem with that. There is rap that glorifies evil behavior, but again you have some metal that does the same.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Bottom line guys: "Tell me who you hang around with and I'll tell you who you are," Tupac put himself in the situation to get himself killed. I find nothing redeeming or glorious in that. As for rap in general, I don't care for it, I find it undisciplined and it has survived this long due to the fact that the record companies made it "cool" for the urban white kids to go out and spend their money buying it. How pathetic is it? See Jamie Kennedy's Malibu's Most Wanted a parody on the suburban "rapper."
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
You also misinterpret many of the words he uses in his songs, such as *****es and N*ggaz. *****es had, in his lyrics, usually 3 different meanings. One was used to describe shady people who weren't trustworthy. Another was used to describe the type of female who has no self respect. And the last use for it being the general intent for the word.

N.I.G.G.A was also another acronymn, not meaning the same as N*GGER. It stood for Never Ignorant Getting Goals Achieved. A very different connotation from the traditional meaning of it.
Stop,just stop,your killin me :D

I cant remember a time when i laughed this hard after reading the speel above:D:D:D.

Here's another anagram used by rappers.

Warning, Graphic & silly anagram inside :D

 
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highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
hifihoney,

You commited a crime of some sort, went to prison, but does that make you a bad guy? I can't say. That's all I'm really saying. You seem alright to me. :)
I did more than commit a crime,i tried to take another man's life & nearly succeded too,thankfully i didnt.

If you had known me 30 years ago you wouldn't have liked me & your impression of me would be entirely different, i promise you,i was not a nice person nor was i a good person,i hung around violent a-holes & i was no different.

White or Black,trash is trash,the people i hung around with were trash,the way i portrayed myself to others was trash,the impression i left on people was trash,not much different than modern rap hero's.

There is a big difference between myself & the likes of Tupac or Bigge Smalls,when i went to the joint it opened my eye's,not beacause i was a punk or afraid but because i saw where i was heading,i saw people like me everywhere i looked,i saw how cruel people really are,i saw how devastated my family was,i saw the shame i put on my family & for once i saw how bad i hurt somebody,i didnt like what i saw or who i was.

I vowed to myself & my wife to make a change & i did,ive spent the better part of my life trying to make up for the rotten s#!t i did when i was young & to this very day im ashamed of who i was.

Thats the difference between myself & Tupac,i know i was an a-hole who hurt people & i changed,Tupac on the other hand loved being a thug,the more felony's he committed only helped his rep,he loved people being afraid of him where i cant stand the thought of it.

You can judge a book by its cover,we all do.
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
If you had known me 30 years ago you wouldn't have liked me & your impression of me would be entirely different, i promise you,i was not a nice person nor was i a good person,i hung around violent a-holes & i was no different.
Well, you make a perfect example of my point earlier. People that do evil, aren't necessary evil. We can't define Tupac like that, or anyone else for that matter.

The mainstream rap is generally horrible, but the whole genre isn't. It might not be your taste, but I don't think guys like Mos Def, Nas, CunninLynguists, or even Immortal Technique (as gruesome as he is, he certainly doesn't promote violence, his music makes you saddened by it) are violent and promoting bloodshed. Look at OutKast, and they are even popular:

OutKast - ATlienZ

OutKast - Rosa Parks

That doesn't give me seizures, sorry. :D
 
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