Can't control audio receiver volume, tried everything

TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Yes I did all of this, I have 5 pairs of rca cables laying on my floor. As I said in my last post, I attached my iPod to all of the channels and it just barely came through, sounding like it was going through two blown speakers. The reason I plugged it directly to the main again was to make sure that the speakers were not blown. Right now the speakers are going out from the audio out on the tv, into the cd inputs on the receiver, and then the pre is plugged into the main. The best I can get is a low sound that I cannot control the volume of, and it sounds muffled and full of static.
Amy, you have followed instructions well.

Previously you were just using the main amps. The only thing I don't understand is how you could possibly have got any sound out of the speakers previously with the receiver turned off. That is impossible. You must have been listening to the TV speakers when the receiver was off. On your last TV you were connected to the receiver power amps and not the preamp first. I assume the line out signal of your previous TV was adjustable by the TV volume control, unlike your current TV

Now if you connect straight to the amp (main) none of the control functions will work. The pre amp outputs from the pre out. Then the jumpers or your RCA cable feed the signal from the preamp, which handles all the control functions, to the power amps, which is the main input.

Now you said you have never had those jumper links. I suspect, and here I'm taking a guess, that the preamp of that receiver stopped working a long time ago, and the previous owner just used it as as a power amp with no control functions.

Now since neither channels of the preamp work, I suspect the fault lies in the part of the power supply that provides the voltage to the preamp board.

The preamp section will run at much lower voltage than the power amp. Often there is a separate tap on the power transformer for the preamp and other lower voltage circuits. This would the have its own rectifier capacitors and regulators. Quite likely there is a failure of the rectifier or more likely a voltage regulator.

Now that receiver is worth about $100 on eBay give or take a little, so you will have to be careful how much money you put into it.

Your options are to see if a service tech can fix it in the ball park of $100. I would try and see if you can get a tech to conform that the pre amp section of that receiver is non functional.

See if you can get a similar vintage receiver on eBay. They come up often.

Purchase a new integrated amp or two channel audio receiver. The NAD is good value for money.

Invest in a receiver that can become part of an up to date home theater system.
 
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AmyBelle

Audioholic Intern
Amy, you have followed instructions well.
The only thing I don't understand is how you could possibly have got any sound out of the speakers previously with the receiver turned off. That is impossible. You must have been listening to the TV speakers when the receiver was off.
Nope, that's just the way it worked, it worked like that from last June until this past Friday when I switched TV's. My tv had really small speakers, I can tell the difference between small tv speakers and big stereo speakers. The receiver was always plugged in, but never on. I just hooked it up again to confirm this, works fine.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Nope, that's just the way it worked, it worked like that from last June until this past Friday when I switched TV's. My tv had really small speakers, I can tell the difference between small tv speakers and big stereo speakers. The receiver was always plugged in, but never on. I just hooked it up again to confirm this, works fine.
Well Amy somehow it had to be on. It is impossible to send a signal to speakers with the amps switched off. The signal out of the TV could not possibly drive the speakers even if directly connected. The amps had to be on and working. There is no way round that fact.

Now tell me something. Do all or any of the lights work on that receiver? The power amps had to be on, but I'm starting to think you did not know they were on because the light did not shine, for the same reason the pre amps don't work. In other words that would be a clue the low voltage power supply is down. Do any, all or none of the indicator lights work on that unit?
 
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AmyBelle

Audioholic Intern
Well Amy somehow it had to be on. It is impossible to send a signal to speakers with the amps switched off. The signal out of the TV could not possibly drive the speakers even if directly connected. The amps had to be on and working. There is no way round that fact.

Now tell me something. Do all or any of the lights work on that receiver? The power amps had to be on, but I'm starting to think you did not know they were on because the light did not shine, for the same reason the pre amps don't work. In other words that would be a clue the low voltage power supply is down. Do any, all or none of the indicator lights work on that unit?
All of the lights work, and when you shut the power off, there is a green light that remains on, but it is not labeled.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
All of the lights work, and when you shut the power off, there is a green light that remains on, but it is not labeled.
We can't possibly go any further without having that receiver in front of us. But if you are certain that receiver would pass a signal to the main amps switched off but plugged in, then that receiver is not working correctly. It has to have significant problems.

It leaves now only two possibilities to explain the facts. You are mistaken or that unit is highly defective. No audio device should ever pass a signal to speakers switched off!
 
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AmyBelle

Audioholic Intern
Well I don't know what to tell you, the lights go on when you press power, and when you press it again the lights go off except one, and the sound comes out of the speakers.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Well I don't know what to tell you, the lights go on when you press power, and when you press it again the lights go off except one, and the sound comes out of the speakers.
Well that clinches it. That receiver needed service a long time ago.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Well I don't think that's true, but there's some closure for you :)
Well it is true, because the power amps had to be on and live when the unit was "switched off". In any correctly functioning receiver that should NEVER occur. Amy I have been doing this for over 50 years, and have done a lot of service work.
 
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AmyBelle

Audioholic Intern
Well it is true, because the power amps had to be on and live when the unit was "switched off". In any correctly functioning receiver that should NEVER occur. Amy I have been doing this for over 50 years, and have done a lot of service work.
Like I said, whatever you need to close the book. For me it worked ideally, and I wish it still did with this tv.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Like I said, whatever you need to close the book. For me it worked ideally, and I wish it still did with this tv.
Amy, I hate to recommend that units not functioning correctly remain in service.

However if you are prepared to unplug your receiver when not in use, then this unit will make this TV work like your last one near enough.

The British firm QED used to make a passive volume control that allowed a CD player to be directly connected to a Power amplifier. There is one for sale on eBay in the UK now. They are not plugged into AC power so there is no problem getting this unit from the UK. Just connect your audio cable from your TV to CD or preamp of the unit. Connect its output to main and the knob on the QED unit will control your TV volume.

http://cgi.ebay.com/QED-PASSIVE-PRE-AMP-CD-CONTROL-UNIT_W0QQitemZ300189230766QQihZ020QQcategoryZ12050QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122

I do not whole heartedly recommend this course of action, as electronic devices that are not working as they should are a potential safety hazard. I recommend having your unit serviced or purchasing a new receiver, or integrated amp.

Remember when you think your current unit is off the power amps are remaining powered up and consuming significant electricity all the time the unit is plugged in.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
I think you should take the advice TLSGUY gave you & take that unit out of service,there is something terribly wrong with the way its working,if you do somehow manage to get it working with your new tv your asking for a horrible fire,electronic fires are nothing to mess with.

A new model receiver is a much safer way to go.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Well that clinches it. That receiver needed service a long time ago.
When the power is turned off, a little green "standby" LED, under the five LED's that comprise the FM signal strength indicator, remains on. It's part of the design and it goes off when the unit is powered up. But it doesn't make sense that the power amps would only work when it's in the standby state.

Good luck. It sounds like you've got yourself a bonafide mystery on your hands.

Of course, one of the first things I would have tried when the pre-out/main-in continuity was reinstated would have been to try the built-in FM tuner, but I guess we've gone way beyond these simple tests by now. Oh, from the picture of the front of the unit you provided, it appears that one of the tape monitors is on. Those lights should be off.
 
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ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Where does she live? Maybe someone can run over there and take a look or just continue to look out the windows for the house that is on fire!
 
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Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
It is possible (clutching at straws here) that one of the tape monitor loops is stuck on even with the button showing it off. One simple way to check this in just a few seconds is to use a set of RCA cords to complete the in/out connections of the tape loop. If the loop is engaged, the RCA cable will complete the loop.

I mean, there must be a reason that somebody removed the pre-main jumpers in the first place. This might be the reason.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Where does she live? Maybe someone can run over there and take a look or just continue to look out the windows for the house that is on fire!
I got a grin outta your post but i fear its more truth than humor,there are serious problems with that receiver,worst case scenario is that she does get it up & running the way it used to & it works long enough to emit the magic smoke.

Hopefully she repairs the unit or replaces it.
 
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