Epik Subwoofers

[Loki]

Craigsub's measurements posted on another forum:

Epik Conquest: 20Hz 111.5 dB 20-63Hz avg. 116.5 dB

Epik Castle: 20Hz 108.5 dB 20-63Hz avg. 115.5 dB

Epik Valor: 20Hz 99 dB 20-63Hz avg. 109 dB

 

[Warpdrv]

How long are they talking for shipment....?

The eD subs are backlogged for 2 months..... I would like to think that one would not have to wait that long to get a sub... but that seems to be the consensus. Seems like they need to have more people working for them...

Not to sound like a SVS fanboy but I just ordered my Plus/2 yesterday afternoon, and I woke up to a shipment email...

The review looked pretty good on the Epiks...
I wish them good luck and prosperity in '08.

 

[croseiv]

Not to sound like a SVS fanboy but I just ordered my Plus/2 yesterday afternoon, and I woke up to a shipment email...

I hear ya! I hope to see one of those in my email in about two more weeks...

 

[Rob Babcock]

I almost wish my pair of Hsu's would crap out so I could justify a Conquest!

 

[Davidt1]

SVS and HSU are so yesterday.

 

[mazersteven]

SVS and HSU are so yesterday.

And what makes you say that in your infamous wisdom?

 

[Davidt1]

And what makes you say that in your infamous wisdom?

Price/performance factor, especially at the low end.

 

[mazersteven]

Price/performance factor, especially at the low end.

I would be interested in seeing the measurements you have taken, and a few pictures of your Epik sub. Did you measure it outside?

 

[croseiv]

SVS and HSU are so yesterday.

Epik makes good subs. I'm glad that there are other brands out there. Right now however, performance aside, they are not the pretiest things out there. If they had some better finish options I would have seriously considered them. If I decide I need another sub (doubtful once the SVS arrives) then I may consider an Epik. They're too young for me...performance is only part of the picture.

 

[Davidt1]

I would be interested in seeing the measurements you have taken, and a few pictures of your Epik sub. Did you measure it outside?

It's not just Epik that's making an entry into the sub business. ED has produced some high performing subs for low prices as well. Yes, their subs are ugly. I don't have first hand experience with their subs, but Craigsub has done a fantastic job testing and comparing various subs over at AVS. Don't take my word for it. Read up and find out for yourself.

 

[mazersteven]

It's not just Epik that's making an entry into the sub business. ED has produced some high performing subs for low prices as well. Yes, their subs are ugly. I don't have first hand experience with their subs, but Craigsub has done a fantastic job testing and comparing various subs over at AVS. Don't take my word for it. Read up and find out for yourself.

This is just the thing why I started this thread. Guys like you with no experience what so ever with the mentioned product.

Were you trying to start a flame war with your statement "SVS and HSU are so yesterday"?

I would be willing to bet you don't even own a SVS, or HSU.

Yes Craigsub does an awesome job with all the speakers, and subs he measures, and blind tests. Excellent job, and I appreciate his efforts.

But I like when guys like you jump all over the Craigsub bandwagon. Craigsub said this, and Craigsub said that.

If Craigsub announces that he wipes his Arse with sandpaper are you jumping on that bandwagon too?

That is why I don't take stock in just one persons opinion. It's good to take opinions from a bunch of forum members. You just have to know who's opinions to value.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Very true.

But I do know my A5-350 stomps my svs 20-39 and it stopmed the PB12-nsd as well. I know they are lowered power and 12" drivers compared to a 15", but they are just as expensive. And it wasn't even close.
I have not personally heard any epik's yet. Lugged a few around and delivered a Castle though to a very happy buyer.

My guess is that as these two companies get a little bit of a market going that svs and hsu will counter with new, more bang for your buck offerings in the 12" and 15" range.

 

[Rob Babcock]

My guess is that as these two companies get a little bit of a market going that svs and hsu will counter with new, more bang for your buck offerings in the 12" and 15" range.

Hsu has lost me for the time being. I love my current Hsu subs but have no interest in any of their powered models. The performance of the "Turbo" sub is probably good but it looks rediculous. And on paper it looks like the Epik and ED subs crush them, for not an awful lot more money. They ain't no beauty queens, neither, but they're a bit more conventional looking than the "Turbo."

Plus, last I heard Epik was planning/considering passive versions of some of their sub models, which is great for someone like me that doesn't trust powered subs.

 

[mike c]

Plus, last I heard Epik was planning/considering passive versions of some of their sub models, which is great for someone like me that doesn't trust powered subs.

wow, passive epiks? that gives me a chance!

 

[mazersteven]

which is great for someone like me that doesn't trust powered subs.

Why don't you trust powered subs?

 

[Rob Babcock]

Why don't you trust powered subs?

Look at the warranty on 'em. Hsu offers 7 years on the driver but only 2 on the electronics. And that's pretty typical of the industry. The amp will very likely fail much sooner than the woofer. I don't think you could find a much worse place to mount an amp than inside a subwoofer box! It's subjected to tremendous vibration and will probably not be nearly as well ventilated as it would be on a rack.

Before I bought my passive Hsu TN-1220's about six or seven years ago (iirc) I went thru almost half a dozen powered subs, all of which crapped out on my in relatively short order. They weren't all cheapo subs, either.

I'm sure the newer class D sub amps are made to take a beating, but my preference is still to mount the amp outside the woofer enclosure. YMMV.

 

[Ron Temple]

I wouldn't count SVS or Hsu out in the areas where Epik and eD are competing. It will take them longer to respond if they decide to however.

That's one of the positives for the new guys, they can design and launch in short order. However, eD's supply chain and bottlenecks may eventually cost them...grew too fast, a good and bad thing. Epik has better control, but that could change too. Chad's working on those new designs, but frankly, I can't see how he can keep up with existing orders. I'm sure new launches will happen eventually.

I think both are a bit too ambitious. They should stabilize the existing lines and order fulfillment. Once established, then release new products. Stop teasing potential customers with possible vaporware that may or may not make it to market...they've each got enough on their respective plates. It may not be what we want to hear (silence), but IMO, it's better business sense.

 

[ShaunH]

I wouldn't count SVS or Hsu out in the areas where Epik and eD are competing. It will take them longer to respond if they decide to however.

That's one of the positives for the new guys, they can design and launch in short order. However, eD's supply chain and bottlenecks may eventually cost them...grew too fast, a good and bad thing. Epik has better control, but that could change too. Chad's working on those new designs, but frankly, I can't see how he can keep up with existing orders. I'm sure new launches will happen eventually.

I think both are a bit too ambitious. They should stabilize the existing lines and order fulfillment. Once established, then release new products. Stop teasing potential customers with possible vaporware that may or may not make it to market...they've each got enough on their respective plates. It may not be what we want to hear (silence), but IMO, it's better business sense.

I have to agree with Ron here the vaporware thing has been bugging me a lot another example of this was from av123 I think they tend to give the customer to much information and not enough reality. I think SVS learned this with there speaker lines and so on. Epik and ED need to worry about getting specs up and there customers satsified first and then move on to new stuff.

As for HSU they have been in business for a while now and that should show you that they can hold there own. Granted I'm not sure where there going with there current lines as the moduler sub woofer idea is kinda odd. But they shouldn't be ignored.

I also think that people are counting out SVS too soon here. You have to remember that they have made big and badass subs before. I mean the B4plus, the SS cylinders, the PBlura/2 and now the new PB13ultra. SVS can compete and I think people don't realize if SVS wanted to go big they could. Not to mention SVS is relatively stable and usually can meet there dates for shipping and so on. But I will agree that the MTS speakers have slipped and so have a few other things. But SVS is still completive the Utra 13 subs are from a review standpoint very good and there also relatively small compared to the bigger epicks and eds. I remember when SVS subs where too big. Maybe epik and ed will help make the market for bigger subs more feasible.. But like I said if SVS wanted to go big they could weather that will mean a PBUltra13/2 or somehting totally different only time will tell.

 

[croseiv]

SVS and out just don't go together. They have some competition, but that is good for all of us. SVS was my choice because of reputation, and appearance. The rosenut PB13-Ultra is probably one of the finest looking and sounding subs out there right now. Look at their past top tier subs. Stellar sound aside, they look great too. None of Epik's or ED's subs come anywhere close to SVS appearance wise.

 

[Rob Babcock]

Right now they lag far enough behind in performance (per the measurements & reviews) that I wouldn't care how pretty they look. I'm into performance first, looks a distant second. That said, I don't think the Epik or ED subs look all that bad. They're a bit too big to hide though!