Easiest speaker to audition in an audio store ?

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timetohunt

Audioholic
What do you think is the easiest type of speaker to compare in an audio shop? Mains/Floorstanders, Subwoofers, Center, Surrounds, Bookshelf ?

In a head to head comparison whats the easiest to say 'yea, that one really beats that one' and so forth.
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
The mains and center are responsible for almost all of the "character" of your system's sound. The easiest comparison is probably between two pairs of mains.
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
I think there are too many variables too allow a blanket statement or definitive answer for comparing between different products @ different dealers/shops/retailers. "Same Store" comparisons are another story as are "in-home" trials.

Here's why I think this: Different shops have different acoustics in their rooms which can play a factor for either better or worse. On top of that, different people @ said different shops are setting up & calibrating the equipment. On top of THAT different electronics and amplification are being used to power and control the speakers which may or may not be matched properly or for the best/worst reasons. One can see why it would be tough to truly obtain an "apples to apples" starting point for an accurate comparison to even be made.

It's not all gloom & doom, though. When comparing in "Same Shop" instances you can really get a feel for the dealer's capabilities as an installer/calibrator. And, you would have to assume that the same person(s) were setting up the equipment so that it should all be equal from the stand point of "margin of error". Acoustically, you can't do anything but hope that the dealer put the speakers in the best situation possible. As for demanding an "in home" trial, some dealers will, some won't and, being an A/V contractor, I can see good reasoning both ways. If, to your ears, speaker A out shines speakers B & C in a show room (and all variables are consistent: same AMP, room, etc.) then chances are very high that the same result will be found in your home.

For a more in-general response I would say that, to me, the easiest speaker to compare between stores would be a powered subwoofer. They (almost) all have manual adjustments on them for you, or your dealer, to adjust and play with. Powered subs also have their own built in amplification which usually takes whatever processor/amp combo or receiver out of the equation. A good sub should be felt, not heard, and it should be easy to determine if a sub is straining to go deep (by boomyness) or play quickly (by the waffling/chuffing sounds it will make).

The silliest thing to compare: Rear surround channels. This should be a no-brainer. Select your front L/C/R & get the rear channels from the same brand & series so that they are voice matched to your fronts. If multi-channel music is something that you'll listen to A LOT, then get direct radiating. If not, then look @ bi-pole/di-pole options. And, yes, it is perfectly fine to use in-ceilings or in-walls for the rears as long as they are from the same series as the fronts so that they are voice matched. We do it all the time for clients and it's never been a problem.
 
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timetohunt

Audioholic
IntheIndustry,
thanks for that writeup, very informative.

Now this question: Since you recommend the surrounds to be matched to the L/R/C in regards to same brand and series, are you finding that most people then are buying everything except maybe the sub, from the same speaker maker?

You did not really specify, but does this go for the Center as well, same brand usually as fronts?
 
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timetohunt

Audioholic
Oh. One other question. Why radiating for surrounds if you listen to multi channel a lot? And by radiating, do you just mean a single speaker on one side?
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
You did not really specify, but does this go for the Center as well, same brand usually as fronts?
Fronts/center are by far the most important to match. Three identical speakers is ideal, if you have space for the center one.
 
I

InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
IntheIndustry,
thanks for that writeup, very informative.

Now this question: Since you recommend the surrounds to be matched to the L/R/C in regards to same brand and series, are you finding that most people then are buying everything except maybe the sub, from the same speaker maker?

You did not really specify, but does this go for the Center as well, same brand usually as fronts?
Correct, when we build a system for a client the sub is prescribed based on an entirely different set of parameters & needs separate from their loudspeakers. There is absolutely NO benefit to "voice match" a subwoofer. In fact, it's impossible to do so because subwoofers do not posses a "voice" in the conventional sense. One exception to this would be in a "closed" system like the Phase Technology dARTS where the speakers & sub(s) are designed to work in correlation with each other and not separately.

Note: Keep an eye out for many more "Closed System" options in 2008 & 2009. This trend is going to take off with brands like Triad, JL-Audio, and others trying to compete with existing offerings from Meridian, Phase Tech, & JBL Synthesis.

I apologize for using industry acronyms. L/C/R = Left/Center/Right

So, yes, the center channel should ALWAYS be voice matched to your mains for the best, most cohesive, result.
 
I

InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
Oh. One other question. Why radiating for surrounds if you listen to multi channel a lot? And by radiating, do you just mean a single speaker on one side?
Multi Channel in the sense that I used it does not refer to DVD movies, but rather audio only formats such as SACD. Audio only media is mixed differently then DVD movies and thus, does not benefit from the sound field created by bi-pole/di-pole speakers.

Example:
Direct Radiating (RBH 61-SE)
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Bi-Pole/Di-Pole (RBH 66-SE)
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Note: Some speaker types do not NEED nor would benefit from a Bi-Pole/Di-Pole configuration from a surround channel. BG Radia, for example, does not offer one, which makes sense. Given the wide sound field their Ribbon speakers create there would be little to no benefit of such a design.
 
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