Another episode of "Bus Drivers Gone Wild".

[markw]

Just weeks after that row about a school bus driver and school board going ballistic about a girl using sign language with her sister, we how have this "public" bus driver getting into the act:

http://cbs11tv.com/local/woman.bible.get.2.620431.html

My question is, how loud was she reading? Was it that, or the subject matter that disturbed him?

 

[Johnd]

That's clear cut discrimination unless she was speaking so loudly so as to disturb others. Even then it is discriminatory unless the driver orders (past, present and future) all people speaking that loud (or louder) to cease and desist. There's a moron born every second.

 

[Halon451]

This would not have happened if she had been reading from the Koran. I value and respect anyone's right to practice whatever religion they choose to, but this double-standard bulls**t has got to stop in this country. Is it really that offensive to anyone to hear someone reading from a religious text that is not their own?? I wouldn't be offended if I was on a bus and overheard someone reading from the Koran OR the Bible, unless it was too loud as to be disruptive.

 

[annunaki]

This would not have happened if she had been reading from the Koran. I value and respect anyone's right to practice whatever religion they choose to, but this double-standard bulls**t has got to stop in this country. Is it really that offensive to anyone to hear someone reading from a religious text that is not their own?? I wouldn't be offended if I was on a bus and overheard someone reading from the Koran OR the Bible, unless it was too loud as to be disruptive.

Though, someone reading from a Koran on a bus would freak me out. I cannot recall the source, but it has been reported many extremist suicide bombers will recite or read from the Koran just before blowing themselves up.

I completely agree with you though.

 

[Halon451]

Though, someone reading from a Koran on a bus would freak me out. I cannot recall the source, but it has been reported many extremist suicide bombers will recite or read from the Koran just before blowing themselves up.

I completely agree with you though.

Yep... it would kind of freak me out too to be honest, but that's just a sign of the times we're living in. I would say drop the double standard and allow people of all religions to recite from their respective texts, or ban all readings, either way - just keep it consistent, that's all.

 

[masak_aer]

Consistency is not something we are known for.

 

[10010011]

Why is this even news?

There is no news coverage every time someone gets kicked off a bus.

So how do we even know this rule is not that is consistently applied?

Disturbing other passengers or the driver is the same thing no matter if it's loud bible reading or loud rap music playing.

Only difference here is the kid playing loud music does not run crying to the media, like some cry baby Liberal.

Freedom of speech has limits, this has been upheld many times by the Supreme Court and freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.

And this BS about "If someone was reading the Koran this would not have happed" is just another Conservatard talking out their a-hole. Because you and I all know that if someone suddenly starting chanting Koran versus loudly on a bus full of people every Christian and Conservative on that bus would be dialing 911 to report a terrorist, and some would probably end up jumping the person in order to "subdue the terrorist" and be a hero before the police arrived.

 

[annunaki]

Based upon what is known about suicide bombers and the rituals they go through before blowing themselves up, you are saying you would not be the least bit worried?
Seriously?

 

[annunaki]

Freedom of religion is not the same as freedom from religion. Our constitution clearly states any one can practice any religion they want. However, I believe that regardless of a persons beliefs they should not be crammed down anyone's neck, and that includes atheists. (I am not calling you an atheist nor do I care what your belief system is) Anyone has their right to freely practice their religion in their home or place of worship. Everyone has the right to hold a religious or non-religious rally. People also have the right to protest those as well. If one does not like religious rallies, stay away from them, don't go and protest to force one's views on someone else. Hold one's own rally.

Those who do not believe in any god or what ever are twisting the freedom of religion statues into freedom from religion statues. They will not be happy until their agenda of wiping out religion from any public view is fulfilled. They are trying to push an atheistic agenda which in and of itself is a belief system and could, in a slight way be viewed as a religion.

 

[Halon451]

And this BS about "If someone was reading the Koran this would not have happed" is just another Conservatard talking out their a-hole. Because you and I all know that if someone suddenly starting chanting Koran versus loudly on a bus full of people every Christian and Conservative on that bus would be dialing 911 to report a terrorist, and some would probably end up jumping the person in order to "subdue the terrorist" and be a hero before the police arrived.

I appreciate the sentiments, I really do - but I am neither a conserva-tard, nor a Christian, and I'm only an a-hole when I need to be. And I wasn't referring to someone chanting loudly, rather reading passages from the text out loud. Take a reality check my friend, and step down from your soapbox.

 

[10010011]

This story is about someone being kicked off a bus for disturbing the driver (maybe other passengers complained, we don't know).

They were asked to stop, refused, and got kicked off the bus, end of story.

What they were doing to create the disturbance should not be the issue here.

It's kind of ironic how the "liberal media" is suddenly the watchtower of conservative ideals because they have managed to turn this into a religious persecution story.

I'm sick and tired of the "Christians are being persecuted" talk. The truth is the overly religious thrive on claims of persecution, real or Madison Avenue-imagined. Nothing stirs up the religiously enthralled like a ripping, tear-jerking tale of persecution. More importantly, nothing opens up the wallets of the herd faster either. One might suggest to them that maybe if fundamentalist Christians tried to be a little less "in everyone's face," every time we turn around these days they might face less persecution. That assumes, of course, they really are being "persecuted" every time they make the claim -- which I doubt. Often what they view as persecution is simple, non-violent, rhetorical push-back from those of us who've heard quite enough about their supernatural relationships of choice. They consider such push back "persecution." We call it self-defense.

 

[Halon451]

This story is about someone being kicked off a bus for disturbing the driver (maybe other passengers complained, we don't know).

They were asked to stop, refused, and got kicked off the bus, end of story.

What they were doing to create the disturbance should not be the issue here.

It's kind of ironic how the "liberal media" is suddenly the watchtower of conservative ideals because they have managed to turn this into a religious persecution story.

I'm sick and tired of the "Christians are being persecuted" talk. The truth is the overly religious thrive on claims of persecution, real or Madison Avenue-imagined. Nothing stirs up the religiously enthralled like a ripping, tear-jerking tale of persecution. More importantly, nothing opens up the wallets of the herd faster either. One might suggest to them that maybe if fundamentalist Christians tried to be a little less "in everyone's face," every time we turn around these days they might face less persecution. That assumes, of course, they really are being "persecuted" every time they make the claim -- which I doubt. Often what they view as persecution is simple, non-violent, rhetorical push-back from those of us who've heard quite enough about their supernatural relationships of choice. They consider such push back "persecution." We call it self-defense.

Come on dude... are you serious? Are you really that assaulted by Christian bible-thumpers on a daily basis, as to formulate such strong feelings on the matter? Last time I checked, this country was founded on the principle of freedom of religion, meaning the freedom to practice religion free of (what you would call persecution) in this case, ignorance and yet another prime example of liberal policy to shut God out of every aspect of modern life.

Oh, such a statement from a non-Christian, huh?

These people weren't shoving Jesus in anyone's face by reading from the Bible. If it had happened to me I would be pissed too.

Counter-point?

 

[10010011]

yet another prime example of liberal policy to shut God out of every aspect of modern life.

Allow me to repeat myself....

I'm sick and tired of the "Christians are being persecuted" talk...

Often what they view as persecution is simple, non-violent, rhetorical push-back from those of us who've heard quite enough about their supernatural relationships of choice.

 

[Halon451]

Allow me to repeat myself... does it really bother you that much?

 

[markw]

thiswas a mother reading to her children, not standing and preaching on a soap-box

Allow me to repeat myself....

You come off as a whining cry-baby that wants the right to stifle any thoughts or talk of which you personally don't approve.

Congratulations. You've just shown a trait similar to the leaders of Germany in the early 20th century. Using selective enforcement of the law in order to censor and eventually do away with opposing viewpoints.

People have the right to not like or agree with what others are saying to each other, particularly when you're not even part of the discussion, but nobody has the right to try to stop them from talking amongst themselves.

Grow a set, bits. Freedom of speech applies to all, not just you.

 

[Halon451]

Thanks Mark. I figured I would at least take the high road and attempt to engage him in an intelligent debate on the matter, even after the uncalled for personal attack.

 

[markw]

So, how's that working out for ya?

Thanks Mark. I figured I would at least take the high road and attempt to engage him in an intelligent debate on the matter, even after the uncalled for personal attack.

A nice, gentle approach is always nice but sometimes ya just have to get their attention first, and a 2 by 4 up-side the head always works quite well for that.

And remember, it takes two to have an intelligent discourse.

 

[Halon451]

 

[stratman]

Isn't it curious when the word Christian is mentioned some people just get riled up. For no other reason than pre-conceived notions, I wonder how many that can't tolerate Christians really know about Christianity. Sad state of affairs when a person can't profess a belief. Those that deny Christian persecution should visit a little country called Sudan, or certain cities here in America during the Christmas holiday.

I'll go one further, if any non-Christians want to find out about Christianity, just pm me. I'll give you the unvarnished truth from scripture, maybe then you'll understand that Christianity is not what you think it is.

 

[evilkat]

The only reason this made the news was because someone was reading something out loud from the bible. If it had been the WSJ or Harry Potter, it wouldn't have been news. It would have been JUST as annoying to the people on board though.