noone may like this post... but i bought a yamaha htib summer 2003, and really, that's what started me, if i had bought components right away, i don't know if i, personally, would have gotten into it. i think i got a htr-5740, but it could have been a year older model... but, yeah, and i have used the speakers until literally, fifteen minutes ago. the first thing he wants to do is replace the htib sub, but i thought it was nice to have a baseline, and not just start with a stereo system, just my $.02