I want to buy the Onkyo TX-SR875 SO Bad!

[Harrison476]

AcuDefTechGuy

Oh I may have misunderstood. You do still have 5.1 sound available even if you use the bi-amp funtion.
H

 

[David Gaudreau]

David, overkill is good.
I'm with you 100%. I just got my Trinity Sub. Love it.

My thought is that if your house is not finished yet, I would not buy anything else until it is finished.

Word is that Emotiva is coming out with new pre-pros.
Since you subscribe to OVERKILL, why not go the separate route?

How about 200-watts per ch x 7 ch @ 8 ohms, 300 watts per ch @ 4 ohms, & 400 wpc @ 2 ohms?


Your Def Techs (esp BP7000SCs & CLR3000) are actually more like 4 ohms nominal, but the minium impedance is around 2 ohms! So you are looking at a possible max of 400 watts!

Can you say "400 WATTS per channel" ??

Ring any bells yet?

Add a pre-pro with DTS-MA, TrueHD, & HDMI 1.3 inputs, and you are set for Maximum Overdrive!

I think you should consider this, especially if you subscribe to OVERKILL.

Emotiva MPS-2 for $1699:
http://www.emotiva.com/mps2.html

Oh No................
So wait a min, How would I hook this up?

Onkyo 875 Connected to MPs-2 then to Speakers?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Oh No................
So wait a min, How would I hook this up?

Onkyo 875 Connected to MPs-2 then to Speakers?

Well, actually I was thinking of hooking up a Separate MPS-2 amp with a Separate Pre-amp/Processor, NOT a Receiver at all!

A Dedicated Pre-amp/processor would not have any amplifiers in it. It would have the pre-amplifier section and the processors for TrueHD & DTS-MA and HDMI 1.3 inputs. It would cost around $1,000, so your total (Amp + Pre-Pro) would be around $2,700.

Now, of course, you don't NEED this. But if you were going for OVERKILL and eventually get a powerful external amp anyway, why not just start out right and go with a dedicated Pre-Pro, instead of a receiver?

 

[Harrison476]

Wow

That Emotiva looks gooood

 

[David Gaudreau]

Well, actually I was thinking of hooking up a Separate MPS-2 amp with a Separate Pre-amp/Processor, NOT a Receiver at all!

A Dedicated Pre-amp/processor would not have any amplifiers in it. It would have the pre-amplifier section and the processors for TrueHD & DTS-MA and HDMI 1.3 inputs. It would cost around $1,000, so your total (Amp + Pre-Pro) would be around $2,700.

Now, of course, you don't NEED this. But if you were going for OVERKILL and eventually get a powerful external amp anyway, why not just start out right and go with a dedicated Pre-Pro, instead of a receiver?

Okay So if I went that way what would I need?
Would i still be able to hook up my other components thru it?
PS3 for games and the Pany AE2000U for movies and the samsung DB5000?

So what is the benefit of the receiver?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Man you are just the Comedian arnt you HAhahaha

Can't be dry a 100% of the time, can it?

 

[ParadigmDawg]

You just need some cables and you're all set; you can run all your gear through it.

The benefit of a receiver is it has built in power.

Okay So if I went that way what would I need?
Would i still be able to hook up my other components thru it?
PS3 for games and the Pany AE2000U for movies and the samsung DB5000?

So what is the benefit of the receiver?

 

[David Gaudreau]

Okay lets say I get the Emotiva MPS-2, what pre-amp should I get so I can have all the new decoding formats? DTS-HD and DTS-HD Master Audio and so on.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Okay So if I went that way what would I need?
Would i still be able to hook up my other components thru it?
PS3 for games and the Pany AE2000U for movies and the samsung DB5000?

So what is the benefit of the receiver?

1) Emotiva Amplifier 300 Watts Per Channel @ 4 ohms x 7 channels = $1,700
2) Emotiva Preamp-Processor w/DTS-MA+TrueHD+HDMI 1.3 = $1,000 (Jan/Feb'08)

That's all you need. You hook everything up like you would hook up the Onkyo Receiver: HDMI cables.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying that excellent Onkyo 875. I only mentioned the SEPARATE components since you mentioned OVERKILL.

Notice how I don't have a receiver either?
Receivers are convenient and great, but separate components have that extra Overkill factor.

Advantages of Separate Components:
1) More "Hardcore & Overkill" than using a receiver.
2) Future-Proof: if they ever come out with a new and improved surround sound format, you just buy a new Preamp/processor and keep your existing Amplifier.

So I think you should get either the Emotiva Amp + Pre-Pro (Jan/Feb) or the Onkyo 875.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Okay lets say I get the Emotiva MPS-2, what pre-amp should I get so I can have all the new decoding formats? DTS-HD and DTS-HD Master Audio and so on.

I would wait for January/February 2008 for Emotiva to come out with there new line of Preamp/processors w/TrueHD+DTSMA+HDMI1.3.

When will your house be ready?

 

[David Gaudreau]

I would wait for January/February 2008 for Emotiva to come out with there new line of Preamp/processors w/TrueHD+DTSMA+HDMI1.3.

When will your house be ready?

Damn you.................... I need to stop coming here, This forum is costing me too much money!! Plus I change my mind on gear every time i log in.

Ugggggggg

 

[ParadigmDawg]

If you have the ability to go with seperates, then I would. The MPS is a beast; all 125lbs of it...

 

[David Gaudreau]

If you have the ability to go with seperates, then I would. The MPS is a beast; all 125lbs of it...

Well I'm going to try,

I hope the price on both units drops a little bit by jan/feb when my house is done.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well I'm going to try,

I hope the price on both units drops a little bit by jan/feb when my house is done.

Okay, David, the Emotiva IPS-1 is 200 Watts x 7 @ 4 ohms = $900!

http://www.emotiva.com/ips1.html

You can probably get the upcoming Pre-Pros for $900.

So the total will probably be $1,800 for everything. Is that better?

 

[Janik]

I want to buy my Receiver so bad, But my house is not even done yet. I know If i wait till Jan-Feb the unit should drop a little in price, But you all know what it's like to have the money, but need to wait. It is burning a hole in my pocket, thru my leg, and thru the floor underneath me!!!

I even found the receiver for $1,152.00 Shipped NEw in box not a referb!!

Good choice. I just yesterday received my SR905 yesterday after ordering it for ABT electronics the in of October. The back-order waiting period was tough to endure. Abt was having a sale, and the 905 was selling for less than $250 more than the 875, so the decision to go with the 905 seemed to be a no-brainer.
Living in Canada, I must say the price difference was over $1000 from the stores here. The fly in the ointment was that (1) Abt would not ship to Canada, and (2) they would not take a Canadian credit card.
I was able to get around this by sending them a certified cheque, and having them ship via UPS, to a american UPS store close to where I live in Canada. UPS will hold it for $5 till you come and pick it up. Boy, that UPS was FULL of boxes, so it seems a whole shipload of people are using the same ploy..

The 905 is so beautiful, I stare at it with my lovestruck eyes.. if it wasn't for the letter of the law, I'd make it my wife....http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
Talking

 

[David Gaudreau]

Okay, David, the Emotiva IPS-1 is 200 Watts x 7 @ 4 ohms = $900!

http://www.emotiva.com/ips1.html

You can probably get the upcoming Pre-Pros for $900.

So the total will probably be $1,800 for everything. Is that better?

Oh yeah that sounds better. You think that setup will sounds better than the Onkyo 875?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Oh yeah that sounds better. You think that setup will sounds better than the Onkyo 875?

Yes, I think Separate Components sound better than Receivers.

Is it True?

Now that's up for pages and pages of debate!

Things that sound the same: Amps, Preamps, DACs, Cables/Wires.
Things that sound different: Speakers, Room Acoustics, Digital Processors.

I believe the purest and cleanest sound will come from a Clean Amplifier + a Clean Stereo Line-Level Preamplifier. Unless they cause enough distortion, all Amplifiers and Preamplifiers sound the same.

The next level of quality will come from a Clean Amplifier + a Clean Preamplifier/Processor.

Then the next level would be the Receivers (Amplifier + Preamplifier/Processor + Tuners + other circuits).

Let's put it this way. I think if you give any Audiophile $100,000 to spend on audio equipments, most (if not all) will buy separate components.

You ask any audiophile why he buys a separate Amplifier, and the answer will always be "CLEAN POWER". We just cannot have ENOUGH POWER. Why? Better Sound.

The new Yamaha Z11 $5,000 receiver (looks AWESOME) has 140 watts x 7 + 50 watts x 4 @ 8 ohms.

The new Denon AVR5308CI $5,200 receiver (looks AWESOME) has 150 watts x 7 @ 8 ohms.

The $900 Emotiva IPS-1 is 150 watts x 7 @ 8 ohms & 200 Watts x 7 @ 4 ohms.

We are all addicted to audio!

If I had the money, heck yeah I would get a 1,000 watts per channel (4 ohms) Rotel amp!!!

For now, I'll be happy with my 300 watts (4 ohms) x 12 ch Acurus Amps.

So yeah, I think separates are better, but that's my opinion.

I can't prove anything because there are no significant double-blinded studies to compare Receivers Vs. Pre-Pros+Amps.

 

[croseiv]

With separates there's more room for better (bigger and more robust) parts especially in amplifiers which are dedicated to amplification only. That's the receiver's largest short coming. Space is a premium with receivers becasue you have the preamp, video processing, radio etc plus the amp all in one box.
Some receivers do a darned good job of cramming the stuff in though...As for hearing differences in sound between separates vs receiver's...that's the big debate for sure...and it all depends on how loud you want play your music or movies..

 

[Zapdude]

Good choice. I just yesterday received my SR905 yesterday after ordering it for ABT electronics the in of October. The back-order waiting period was tough to endure. Abt was having a sale, and the 905 was selling for less than $250 more than the 875, so the decision to go with the 905 seemed to be a no-brainer.
Living in Canada, I must say the price difference was over $1000 from the stores here. The fly in the ointment was that (1) Abt would not ship to Canada, and (2) they would not take a Canadian credit card.
I was able to get around this by sending them a certified cheque, and having them ship via UPS, to a american UPS store close to where I live in Canada. UPS will hold it for $5 till you come and pick it up. Boy, that UPS was FULL of boxes, so it seems a whole shipload of people are using the same ploy..

The 905 is so beautiful, I stare at it with my lovestruck eyes.. if it wasn't for the letter of the law, I'd make it my wife....http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
Talking

How much duty/taxes did you end up paying on the receiver when you crossed back into Canada?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Onkyo 905 = $1,700 (J&R Music World) = 140wpc x 7 @ 8 ohms. Another good receiver, but still pricey.