Bookshelf decision need your help- PSB,RBH,Energy RC-10

[billy p]

I'm not. I only reply to threads about Energy, simply because I have experience with them. i never go and physically push their speakers on people.

If it wasn't for my lack of funds, I would have something different.

SheepStar

Sorry sheep, mistake in identity? I thought you where happy with yours. Anyways, I usally only respond to questions about speakers I've auditioned and can only offer my thoughts or opinions. This thread is a perfect example because I listened to two of the MFG's and tried to pass that infromation to the OP. One thing that bugs me is when a person will asks a specific question and all these other speakers mfg's come into play.

Thanks though!!

 

[Guangui]

Klipsch give me a break!! Energy and PSB are similar in their sound reproduction. The RC10's seem to have a more refined sound, than the b25's. Can I ask which Energy have you auditioned(since you haven't heard the RC's don't make generalizations)? The Rc's are a relatively new speaker design and follow the in the footsteps of the Veritas line and IMO sound nothing like Klipsch. As a matter of fact, the only common link between the two is ownership.

I auditioned Energy about 3 years ago, back then I only auditioned Klipsch and Energy...and as I said previously have not auditioned the RC, so, yes I'm guilty of generalizing. Regarding common ownership, I don't pay attention to that as usually these large corporations keep different engineering teams for their different brands.

Have you audition the Monitor's??? If so, how do you stack the RC against MA silvers???

 

[nosferatu]

like billy says i could be looking with no end to it , there is so many good speakers that ppl will reccomend for the price im willing to spend. the only speaker that i could addition it was definitive book shelf speaker and it soud really clear and diteled. i been reading stuff about bookshelf speakers for past 3 weeks and i end up wiht RC or image never heard them but from what i read and ppl opinions tha'ts waht im looking for . like i sed one day that will be my surround speakers so i need good deatalied speaker for now. and for not RC and image is a hard cookie to bite

 

[nosferatu]

how would you guys rate a Kevlar driver ( RC-10) and metalized polypropylene cone (PSB) thay use tottaly diffirent material for their driver

 

[billy p]

I auditioned Energy about 3 years ago, back then I only auditioned Klipsch and Energy...and as I said previously have not auditioned the RC, so, yes I'm guilty of generalizing. Regarding common ownership, I don't pay attention to that as usually these large corporations keep different engineering teams for their different brands.

Have you audition the Monitor's??? If so, how do you stack the RC against MA silvers???

I answered that question in post 14 and you didn't answer which Energy? Speakers are so subjective and I will always prefix my answers that way and why are MA even part of this thread!

Anyways, it's bedtime goodnight.

 

[Guangui]

I answered that question in post 14 and you didn't answer which Energy? Speakers are so subjective and I will always prefix my answers that way and why are MA even part of this thread!

Anyways, it's bedtime goodnight.

Bedtime here too, by the way it is Dec., and we are in the middle of a tropical storm.

Sorry, but it has been 3 yrs. don't remember the models, it was two different towers, I belive from the same Energy series.

Missed your opinion on MA silver, went back to the post and read it. MA's became part of this thread, as the clearance price from SA is very good, and might be a choice worth considering.

Good Night...

 

[Sheep]

Like what?

I'd have WmAx build me speakers, to his standards. I'd also have him design a room treatment scheme for the style of music that I listen to, and an alternate scheme for movies.

That isn't even a lot of money either, but I don't have a lot.

SheepStar

 

[Sheep]

Sorry sheep, mistake in identity? I thought you where happy with yours. Anyways, I usally only respond to questions about speakers I've auditioned and can only offer my thoughts or opinions. This thread is a perfect example because I listened to two of the MFG's and tried to pass that infromation to the OP. One thing that bugs me is when a person will asks a specific question and all these other speakers mfg's come into play.

Thanks though!!

There is more then 1 way to judge a speaker. You can compare how models perform, without hearing them. As a matter of fact, it's more reliable to measure then hear, unless done blind.

SheepStar

 

[3db]

There is more then 1 way to judge a speaker. You can compare how models perform, without hearing them. As a matter of fact, it's more reliable to measure then hear, unless done blind.

SheepStar

No Thanks. I rather listen speakers before purchasing them rather than going by spec sheets. Least then I know what I'm getting in stead of interpreting what I'm getting.

If I had alot more money, I would like to try other brands such as Totem or Focus Audiom but since my budget is limited, I'll keep my PSBs. Yes I'm a fan boy of them but no more than others in here with their Axioms and Paradigmm Studio's BICs, etc. Since there are very few in here who even mention PSB, I kinda carry the torch. If you notice, I don't recommend them all the time either depending on the condition. Not my problem if you don't like it.

 

[billy p]

I've read WmAx threads about resonance. He has an in depth knowledge regarding speakers design flaws and sound characteristics that go over my head. If I had his talent I'd use those principles as well, but I don't. In the end, 3db echoes my feeling. As for affordable Chris's threads point out how to DIY, so the only issue would be talent.
Thanks again Sheep, Billy p

 

[gus6464]

There is a guy on Audiogon selling a pair of PSB Platinum M2 speakers with stands for $900. I have heard these speakers and they are just amazing and I found them to be better than the B&W 805S. If I had $900 to burn I would've bought them already.

 

[Sheep]

No Thanks. I rather listen speakers before purchasing them rather than going by spec sheets. Least then I know what I'm getting in stead of interpreting what I'm getting.

If I had alot more money, I would like to try other brands such as Totem or Focus Audiom but since my budget is limited, I'll keep my PSBs. Yes I'm a fan boy of them but no more than others in here with their Axioms and Paradigmm Studio's BICs, etc. Since there are very few in here who even mention PSB, I kinda carry the torch. If you notice, I don't recommend them all the time either depending on the condition. Not my problem if you don't like it.

But you ARE interpreting what you're getting. Your ears interpret what you hear. And guess what? They're way less reliable then a microphone.

SheepStar

 

[3db]

But you ARE interpreting what you're getting. Your ears interpret what you hear. And guess what? They're way less reliable then a microphone.

SheepStar

I don't listen to a pair of speakers thru a microphone. I listen to them thru my ears and if they sound good to me, I'll like them regardless of what was speced out on paper thru a microphone. Thats my point. I don't know why you are arguing over something as silly as this when in the past you correctly advocated "audition audition audition"

 

[billy p]

twice as a matter of fact, in the same thread no less.

 

[InTheIndustry]

Cat Fight!

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I LOVE threads like this!

 

[WmAx]

For the general person, simply listening is the best methodology that is practical in most circumstances. I can, however, often make specific suggestions regarding specific speakers with modifications and methods of tonal control that will yield the best results for almost anyone, for a minimum price range. But this is not the ordinary process of buying commercial speakers -- and is often more complex than most people care to bother.

While the correct set of measurement data is more accurate to define sound quality characteristics of a speaker when correlated with the proper perceptual research, actually executing this requires extensive knowledge of said perceptual research and how to interpret the measured data. Nor is the measured data commonly provided by most review publications enough measured data to come to a full conclusion.

-Chris

 

[billy p]

Thank you Chris

I find your post very insightful and your philosophies regarding speakers intriging to say the least. However, as you stated above for a normal person simple listening is the best method which involves your ears. I am a layman and appreciate your posts and all the work you've done helping us on the forum. I feel though that an Engineering background is warranted to make full use of what you're trying to explain. So when a new member or layman ask for advice or has a question about a certain speaker I respond in the only manner I know and that comes from using my untrained ears.

Thank you for that post, Billy p

 

[nosferatu]

Is PSB more of Music or HT type of speaker ???

 

[Guangui]

Is PSB more of Music or HT type of speaker ???

PSB Image are balanced in that sense, with a slight edge towards music.

 

[billy p]

Is PSB more of Music or HT type of speaker ???

Most of todays entry to mid level speakers are designed to handle both. If a speaker is musical and lends itself towards music, then IMO should handle H/T just as well. The one exception with movies is the LFE range which you'll need a good sub for anyways, regardless of which speaker you own. I am pretty sure you will be satisfied with the PSB's. I hope you post some pictures when you've come to a decision.

Goodluck, Billy p