What Speaker to Buy???

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Guangui

Full Audioholic
Ok, here is the never ending question...What speakers to buy at my price range? $1,000.00 to $1,500.00 without Subwoofer.

I live in Puerto Rico, and freight can be a killer if you don't know what you are doing, and I've found out that most of the companies that brag about shipping worldwide, even though PR is considered a domestic market by some, they don't know much about what to do. When they mention customs and brokerage fees, or that there is too much paperwork involved to ship USPS, I immediatley know they don't know squat. As PR is a US Territory, and there is no customs or brokerage fees from the USA, and shipping via USPS is the same procedure and rates as shipping to another State.

Personally, I have been in Import and Export since I was 18 yrs old and rather take care of shipping procedures myself, but many of these companies don't want you to do that because they cannot stick it to you by overcharging freight...This is especially true for companies doing business on EBay.

On the other hand, local hi-fi stores are geared towards the High End sector of the market, and tend to inflate prices, or keep in stock high-ticket items. As an example, I bought a Marantz SR-5001 (after lots of research) for $399.00 refurbished ($499.00 New), and the three local Marantz dealers asked over $700.00 for the same discontinued unit (new).

Anyways, now you know what receiver I have (Marantz SR-5001), which replaced my 1998 HTIB Sony receiver, but I have not replaced the speakers yet. I have always used the receiver as the video control/switching unit, and it is always on. My TV set is a Philips 50" Plasma with 2 ea. HDMI inputs, plus the usual modern connections. DVD/CD is a Toshiba 1080P upconverting DVD-R unit, and I just purchased a new Marantz DV-6600 DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-A 1080i upconverting unit for $250.00 from the local dealer (liquidation), this will be used mainly as a SACD/CD/DVD-A player. The Toshiba unit will do until the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD war is more defined, or until dual players become more reliable.

Finally, need these forum members expert help as to what speakers to buy, subwoofer is not needed for the time being, as I have a 1998 Audiosource 150Watts 8", which by audiophile standards is crappy, but will do for a few months until I can buy a good one. Main use will be HT, but I like to hear all types of music every now and then. I am in the process of adding space to my home, and there will be a dedicated HT/music room (14' W x 20' L x 8' H), but that will not be completed until mid 2008. For the time being I would like to purchase a 5 speaker system that I can use in my family room (12' W x 16' L x 12' H) which has lots of doorways and an open area leading to the kitchen. As an example, the surrounds will have to be placed in a wall about 3' behind the main seating position, and at a height of 8'+, and some 4' from the center of the wall to each speaker. Stands are out of the question.

Due to space and the famous WAF, extremely important, I had considered on wall speakers for the LCR duties, I considered Paradigm Cinema 220's, maybe 330's if budget allowed, Monitor Audio R225's, and Klipsch RVX-42's. By the way, the local dealer sell the RVX's for $279.00 ea., while I see people paying on EBay $400.00 ea., as if it was a great deal. For surround duties I was thinking Dipole/Bipole, but due to the position a good bookshelf speaker with a wall mount directed towards the listening position might be a better alternative.

I auditioned all the mentioned on-walls, and I was split between Klipsch and Paradigm with Klipsch having the winning edge. But, then the Monitor dealer made me audition Monitor's Silver system...why??? At $1,000.00/pair for the mains, $499.00 ea. for the center, and $699.00/pair for the SFX surrounds, they are out of my budget range. But, they sounded so sweet with everything (HT, Latin Music, Heavy Metal, Jazz, Pop)!!!

So, now I am thinking...What if I sold the large AV cabinet where the Plasma used to sit (now is on-wall), purchase a nice equipment rack (Soundsations or similar), so there is more space to accomodate floor standing speakers (right now there is no space)??? My original idea was to purchase the on-wall system, and later buy a pair of good bookshelfs for Stereo music ($1,500.00/pair budget for that); Monitor Audio, Paradigm, Linn, etc.

Finally, here are the questions?

1. From the mentioned on-wall speakers, what are your recommendations? And, if I wanted to add main bookshelfs for stereo music, what would you recommend?

2. Heard of AV123.com Rocket series, and Axiom. Don't like too much AV123, because, even though beautiful and apparently good reviews, they don't seem to stock much. All I heard from Axiom is good. Do you guys recommend any of these in particular???

3. What type of surround (monopole, bipole, dipole, adapted dipole, etc.)?
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
The speakers that are best are the ones that sound best to you and in your price range. Since you liked Monitor Audio, I'll throw Mordaunt-Short into the mix as something to consider. In general, they're not quite as bright as Klipsch and not quite as laid back as Monitor Audio and they do make in-wall speakers. Mordaunt speakers without grills look quite stunning as well. Mordaunts also pair very well with Marantz receivers.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Ok, here is the never ending question...What speakers to buy at my price range? $1,000.00 to $1,500.00 without Subwoofer.


Finally, need these forum members expert help as to what speakers to buy, subwoofer is not needed for the time being, as I have a 1998 Audiosource 150Watts 8", which by audiophile standards is crappy, but will do for a few months until I can buy a good one. Main use will be HT, but I like to hear all types of music every now and then. .....

Due to space and the famous WAF, extremely important, I had considered on wall speakers for the LCR duties, I considered Paradigm Cinema 220's, maybe 330's if budget allowed, Monitor Audio R225's, and Klipsch RVX-42's. By the way, the local dealer sell the RVX's for $279.00 ea., while I see people paying on EBay $400.00 ea., as if it was a great deal. For surround duties I was thinking Dipole/Bipole, but due to the position a good bookshelf speaker with a wall mount directed towards the listening position might be a better alternative.

I auditioned all the mentioned on-walls, and I was split between Klipsch and Paradigm with Klipsch having the winning edge. But, then the Monitor dealer made me audition Monitor's Silver system...why??? At $1,000.00/pair for the mains, $499.00 ea. for the center, and $699.00/pair for the SFX surrounds, they are out of my budget range. But, they sounded so sweet with everything (HT, Latin Music, Heavy Metal, Jazz, Pop)!!!

Finally, here are the questions?

1. From the mentioned on-wall speakers, what are your recommendations? And, if I wanted to add main bookshelfs for stereo music, what would you recommend?

2. Heard of AV123.com Rocket series, and Axiom. Don't like too much AV123, because, even though beautiful and apparently good reviews, they don't seem to stock much. All I heard from Axiom is good. Do you guys recommend any of these in particular???

3. What type of surround (monopole, bipole, dipole, adapted dipole, etc.)?
1. Is there a PSB delaer near you? If so I would recommend the Image B25 bookshelves. Very solid smooth osunding speaker with surprising amout of good fast solid bass.

2. Some people love Axiom for their forward and detailed sound while others get fatigued easily by that kind of sound. Its really up to your ears to decide that. I understand that cost of shipping to you would be prohibitively expensive. I wonder if you would be better off getting something locally instead.

3. Are you ever planning to use your surrounds for multichannel music? If so, the consensus around here is monopole. But if HT is going to be the primary use, then it comes back to what you think sounds the best to you. They are your ears and no one else hears like you.
 
G

Guangui

Full Audioholic
3db

1. Yes, there are two PSB dealers. Will audition them.

2. Heard that of Axiom, personally I found out that I prefer laid back sound, like those of Monitor Audio.

3. Yes, surrounds will be used for multi-channel music (SACD's and DVD-A), so that answers the question, monopoles will be.

Regarding freight, I am not concerned, as ocean freight to PR is not very expensive if you know how to work it. Could be comparable to ship inland motorfreight from Texas to Florida.

Have anyone actually auditioned AV123's Rocket Series? My wife saw them, and with so much money spent in decor at our house they are a perfect match, but as a typical male I couldn't care less about that and I prefer a good sound. Also any opinions on my three runner ups for on-wall?

Thanks for the Mourdant suggestion, but not my cup of tea.
 
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roshi

Audioholic
For bookshelf speakers I would recommend the B&W CM1. They sound great and aren't even that expensive. I would also listen to ERA bookshelves, people seem to like those a lot.

I'm wondering, what exactly does "laid back" in sound mean? What's the opposite of it? ("In Your Face"?) What would you characterize Paradigm or B&W as? I personally haven't listened to either Monitor Audio or Mordaunt Short.
Thanks!
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
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I'm wondering, what exactly does "laid back" in sound mean? What's the opposite of it? ("In Your Face"?) What would you characterize Paradigm or B&W as? I personally haven't listened to either Monitor Audio or Mordaunt Short.
Thanks!
I think "laid back" and "in your face" is in the eye (ear) of the beholder. A lot of people say that Paradigms are "in your face" or bright but I find them very natural. I found MA to be harsh and bright. It just depends on what you hear and what you like.
 
G

Guangui

Full Audioholic
Decission

Everyone,

Thanks for your input...I have decided to go the following route:

Mains: Paradigm Cinema 330
Center: Paradigm Cinema 330
Surround: Paradigm ADP
Subwoofer: The old not so great 8" 150W Audiosource that I have had for years

To listen to music I am buying a pair of Monitor Audio RS-6; I have purchased an equipment rack from Soundations to make space and take out the larger Plasma/AV Cabinet that I have.

When my AV Room is finished in about 4 months I will buy MA's silver series center, and four SFX dipoles. Since, I purchased an inexpensive refurb Marantz SR-5001, I will be upgrading to Emotiva Processor/Amp Professional Combo for the room; it is not that expensive, and so far like the reviews.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
I'm just curious why you would buy the full Paradigm system knowing that you will completly replace it in only 4 months.

Why not just buy the RS-6 for now and run 2.1 for 4 months, then get the MA center and surrounds when the dedicated room is ready? The cost of the throwaway Paradigm system will go a long way towards covering the cost of the center and surrounds.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I'm just curious why you would buy the full Paradigm system knowing that you will completly replace it in only 4 months.

Why not just buy the RS-6 for now and run 2.1 for 4 months, then get the MA center and surrounds when the dedicated room is ready? The cost of the throwaway Paradigm system will go a long way towards covering the cost of the center and surrounds.
I have to wonder the same thing. I would either jump up the food chain on the Paradigms or get the MAs.
 
G

Guangui

Full Audioholic
I would also wonder the same, but some plans have changed, and here is the deal...If me or my family wanted to watch TV, we would have to go to the dedicated AV room, or in our bedrooms. My wife and I have very different tastes when it comes to TV viewing, so usually she watches her programs in our bedroom, and I watch them in the family. So, the Paradigms will stay in the family permanently. The wall mounted Plasma is on a wall that its backside is my son's bedroom closet, which has sufficient space to hide AV Equipment, and all you will see from the family room is the wall mounted TV, and the Paradigm's. I can also use an inexpensive home depot shelf system, as everything will be inside a closet. Since most construction in PR concrete, all I need is an IR eye next to the wall TV, so it picks up the remote control signals. The MA RS6 towers will be in the family room temporarily for stereo music, so they won't be an eyesore to the wife for long. The family room will have the 50" Plasma, Marantz SR-5001, Paradigm Cinema 330 LCR with ADP surrounds, 8" Audiosource 150W SW, Toshiba upconverting DVD-R, and HD Cable. Basically all the equipment I have at hand, except for the addition of the Paradigms; but, a very clean look.

For the AV room I have decided for MA's Silver system (RS6, CC, SFX), for which I will buy the mains immediately, and maybe a pair of subwoofers, instead of one. I have approx. four months to buy the complete equipment, which is not that hard on my budget.

The AV equipment is basically decided...Emotiva Processor/Amp Combo Profesional Pro Series, Marantz DV-6600 (already own), HD Cable, and a Projector/Screen (brand and model to be decided). Maybe, also a 50" Plasma for regular TV viewing, but this is not a priority or even in the budget.

I have family gatherings at home all the time, so, this way the kids can watch whatever they want in the family, and the adults can watch sports or movies in the AV room. Having some 4 months to do all this allows me to divide my $$$ resources.
 
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