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SHARP0305

Audiophyte
I feel somewhat intimidated buy even discusing my thread as most of you audioholics would think me foolish to even consider purchasing a HTIB. Having said this, I also don't want to do a lot of wiring as I was considering systems (2.1,3.1) that give a surround sound like effect (now I'm really intimidated). Consumers Report (Dec. 2007) had a Panasonic SC-PTX7 system rated as a buy. However, I saw comments on line from 3 different users (Amazon) advising that the system freezes up when using the CD/DVD option from the remote. Consumers has no comment and Panasonic is not aware or refuses to acknowledge the problem. Does anyone have a comment on my HTIB plans (or lack there of)? Also, was wondering if anyone has any first hand knowledge of the Panasonic SC-PTX7 system.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I feel somewhat intimidated buy even discusing my thread as most of you audioholics would think me foolish to even consider purchasing a HTIB. Having said this, I also don't want to do a lot of wiring as I was considering systems (2.1,3.1) that give a surround sound like effect (now I'm really intimidated). Consumers Report (Dec. 2007) had a Panasonic SC-PTX7 system rated as a buy. However, I saw comments on line from 3 different users (Amazon) advising that the system freezes up when using the CD/DVD option from the remote. Consumers has no comment and Panasonic is not aware or refuses to acknowledge the problem. Does anyone have a comment on my HTIB plans (or lack there of)? Also, was wondering if anyone has any first hand knowledge of the Panasonic SC-PTX7 system.
I think the answers you are going to get on hear will attempt to guide you away from a HTIB. A good 2.1 will blow away any HTIB out there; how much you looking to spend and how big is your room?
 
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SHARP0305

Audiophyte
Panasonic SC-PTX7 Jukebox Theater Audio System

Greg:

Thanks for your reply. I'm probably show my level of audiophile knowledge, but I thought a 2.1 system is a HTIB system with simulated surround sound. The system I referenced above is listed as 3.1....pray tell what does this all refer to? In any event, the above system is referenced on this website.
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Generally, when we think of HTIB, we're assuming that it is a 5.1 system, as that is the standard for home theater. The numbers refer to the number of speakers in the system, (i.e. 5.1 has 5 full-range speakers, plus a subwoofer which is the .1 since it isn't full-range). So if you're wanting a 2.1 system, that will be 2 full-range front speakers with a sub. I assume the system you're looking at, if it's listed as 3.1, will be 2 fronts, 1 center channel and a sub.

But yeah, usually the components that are supplied with a HTIB system are going to be bottom of the line stuff. You're just paying for the simplicity. But for the same money, you can usually put something together yourself that will be much better.
 
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soloz2

Junior Audioholic
Personally I wouldn't buy a HTIB, but I'm not saying they don't have their purpose. Let me also say that I just paid for my first real HT (haven't received it yet) and have been using a HTIB for the last 5 years. I can tell you now that the only reason it has lasted me that long is because it has a real receiver.

Here's why I wouldn't buy a HTIB: most are not good at all. It's as simple as that. They generally have cheap components and cheap speakers. Typically there will be a single box that does everything from play CDs and DVDs to process the sound to drive the speakers. It might be convenient to have everything all in one box with a single power plug, but you don't get the quality you do from even moderately priced separates. Plus, if something goes wrong, say the DVD player stops working what then?

If you want to look for a box setup because you feel intimidated by piecing together your own setup, or want the assurance that everything will work well together that is fully understandable. If you feel you must let me give you a few pointers.
1. don't go for the smallest or sleekest looking speakers. Try to find something where the speakers are 2-way designs so they have a woofer and a tweeter.
2. don't buy one of the all-in-one boxes. Get a unit that has a real receiver. Sometimes they'll come with a DVD player, sometimes not. Regardless if you get a real receiver you can hook any DVD player up to it, and just about any other component you want be that a VCR, cable box, or video games.
3. just because a company makes good electronics does not mean they make good speakers.
4. 3.1 or 2.1 setups that simulate 5.1/surround sound are not as good as the real thing. Plus, if you can hook up 2 or 3 speakers you can hook up 5. (the 5 in 5.1 means there are 5 speakers. 2 front mains, a center and two rear speakers. The .1 is the subwoofer)
5. If you buy something now get something with HDMI switching so you'll be ready for hi-def switching even if you don't have a HDTV now.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way let me try to talk you out of buying a HTIB, or at least buying a good one. Even if you don't want to pick out components yourself if you go to a stereo/home theater store (not a chain store like BB or CC) but a real stereo shop that sells mid-fi and hi-fi gear they will be able to help you piece together a nice setup. Then they'll be able to sell you any and all cables you'll need to hook it up and tell or show you how to hook it up when you get home. Many will even come to your house and set it up for you for a fee.
Another reason to go to a store like this is to be able to buy a 2.1 setup now and then add a center and rear surrounds later when the budget allows. This will let you get a much better system for your money.

Without knowing where you live or what shops are around let me suggest a very nice setup from av123. If you go to their forums they are currently running a very nice deal on a complete HT package. Their X series speakers have gotten a lot of praise and are some of the very best budget minded speakers available. They are currently offering a deal where you get 4 x-ls bookshelf speakers, a matching center channel, one of their x-subs, a Denon receiver and a Denon DVD player all for $999. At that price it's literally a steal. You can upgrade one of the sets of x-ls speakers to a tower if you want a more full sound. Their sales reps are very helpful if you call or email them.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Maybe we can go back to square one and maybe we can help 'unintimidate' you.

The biggest intimidator tends to be all the choices that are available to people and a lot of the new terminology.

Wiring, while it can be scary, it really only one wire per speaker. So, if you have 8 speakers in a room (a 7.1 setup) it is typically 8 wires that are used. You will have more wires from each component, but those are all handled one at a time... one by one.

What matters:

What are you trying to achieve?

What is your budget?

How big is your room?

What are your concerns?

I would say that there are some decent HTIB packages out there which are 'alright' (at best), and can give you entry level surround sound without breaking the bank, while still allowing you to UPGRADE AS YOU WISH in the future. An example would be the Onkyo HTS-800 7.1 audio system for about 500 bucks.

Take some time to answer the questions asked as that will really help others help you out. One of the worst things you can do is lock yourself into a 100% proprietary system that won't allow you to do the upgrades you may want later on. Many systems complicate things if you want to change receivers, or any of the speakers or add just ONE new device to the system.
 
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SHARP0305

Audiophyte
Soloz2:

I tried finding the sytem you referenced with no luck. Can you help to point me in the right direction on their website. Thanks again for your feedback.
 
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nick1000000

Full Audioholic
I started with a HTIB and recently upgraded to individual components and I will never do back. I loved my HTIB. It was simple and it did everything is was made for well. When I upgraded however, I discovered my HTIB was not as good as I had once thought. I first purchased a new preamp amp combo to replace my aged receiver. I immediatly noticed a difference in sound coming from my HTIB speakers. I also noticed though that my speakers had ahard time hadling the new receiver. When I purchased my speakers I was very pleased to hear things I had never heard on my old HTIB. It is a whole different experience.
If you are looking to just watch TV and movies occationally and maybe listen to a CD now and then, then a HTIB might be right for you. But if you are really passionate about movies and especially music then buy seperate components. You will be very happy that you did.
 
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