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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
question, i have boston vr920, vr3 towers, axiom qs8 surrounds, boston pv1000 sub. heres a question, when i watched dvds sounds incredible, if i am watching just regular TV the bass is so weak from the sub, i went through the speaker level set up and the center fronts and surround seem very well matched but when i switch the to the speaker level it is very very low is that normal???? upstairs in my dads living room i have this little cheap 8inch sub and it seems as though that creates more lows when wathing tv than my pv 1000???
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
question, i have boston vr920, vr3 towers, axiom qs8 surrounds, boston pv1000 sub. heres a question, when i watched dvds sounds incredible, if i am watching just regular TV the bass is so weak from the sub, i went through the speaker level set up and the center fronts and surround seem very well matched but when i switch the to the speaker level it is very very low is that normal???? upstairs in my dads living room i have this little cheap 8inch sub and it seems as though that creates more lows when wathing tv than my pv 1000???
I suppose you have the TV audio into thwe receiver? And a sub connected to the sub/LFE out?

I bet when you get the TV audio coming in analog and 2 ch, your receiver has a different reaction to 2ch audio, what to do with the low frequency. You may need to go into the receiver manual and see how to get to the 2ch setup, go there and set it up that you have a sub. Your receiver may need to be assigned speakers properly in each mode?
Obviously it is working fine with DVDs, so it is not the sub or its levels matching.
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
thanks for the reply, well its not that its not working when i am watching tv because if i turn the level way up it is working, the thing is when i watch dvds i have my but set at a 3 on the level on the sub. It goes from 0 to 12 on the dial on the sub and i keep it a 3. sounds incredible when watching dvds but when wathing tv you can barely here it when it is set at 3.
 
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mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
thanks for the reply, well its not that its not working when i am watching tv because if i turn the level way up it is working, the thing is when i watch dvds i have my but set at a 3 on the level on the sub. It goes from 0 to 12 on the dial on the sub and i keep it a 3. sounds incredible when watching dvds but when wathing tv you can barely here it when it is set at 3.
Is the upstairs sub that you are comparing your sub to has a DVD connected? If so, does the level needs changing going between the two? If no DVD, then perhaps its volume is set higher?
Otherwise, if the receiver is set to recognize a sub on 2ch mode, it should have good lows, if it is there in the TV audio which you indicate that the upstairs one has plenty. No other way for it, or at least the sub cannot be defective and something else is the cause then.
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
The sub might be recieving only the LFE channel. This means that with DVDs, where LFE information is present, it is active while with TV signals it is not. Do you have bass-out set to "sub" and the crossover set to around 80hz?
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
thanks for reply, i have the crossover set to 80HZ on the receiver, and bass set as both sub and towers with the subs crossover cranked up to max because using the receivers crossover.. It definetly is working when i am watching TV because if i am watching tv and crank the sub level to 10 then i can here the sub, but if i leave the sub at the setting of 3 which i keep it on for movies then i cant hear it when i watch tv.
in summary at a level of 3 on the sub for dvds the thing cranks, at a level of 3 on the sub when watching tv the sub is barely noticeable unless you crank it up to 10. interersting????
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Sub needs to be set to sub, not both. This may not solve your problem, but there is no crossover between the mains and the sub when set to both.

EDIT:
I am pretty sure it will solve the problem.

EDIT (part two):
I would also recommend system calibration, if you haven't done so. If your receiver has an auto calibration feature, and you choose to use it, be sure and bypass the settings such as speaker size, crossover point, etc.
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
i am going to run auto calibration with the mic tonight on the yammy, however i have the bass set to both on the receivers settings not on the sub so the bass is set is set for sub and towers, you are saying that i should set the receivers settings to sub only???
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
i am going to run auto calibration with the mic tonight on the yammy, however i have the bass set to both on the receivers settings not on the sub so the bass is set is set for sub and towers, you are saying that i should set the receivers settings to sub only???

YES

Read the link I posted. Your mains are not full-range. So, I am certain the receiver should be set to SMALL. Make x-over, speaker size, and etc. settings before running YPAO. Be sure to select SKIP on the set-up for the settings you are certain of.

I would select PLII movie/music for a program that you want to be surround, but is 2-channel. This hasn't been mentioned, so I wanted to be sure you did.
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
I suppose you have the TV audio into thwe receiver? And a sub connected to the sub/LFE out?

I bet when you get the TV audio coming in analog and 2 ch, your receiver has a different reaction to 2ch audio, what to do with the low frequency. You may need to go into the receiver manual and see how to get to the 2ch setup, go there and set it up that you have a sub. Your receiver may need to be assigned speakers properly in each mode?
Obviously it is working fine with DVDs, so it is not the sub or its levels matching.
i will look into this, any idea on how you have to assign a sub to the 2 channel or analog mode?? i figured as long as the crossover is set to sub that it would recognize that the sub is connected.

SO I RAN THE YPAO AND IT SAID THAT I SHOULD SET THE SETTING ON THE SUB ABOUT HALF WAY (LEVEL OF 5.5 OUT OF 12) WHEN RUNNING THE AUTO SET UP SO I SWITCHED IT FROM 3 WHERE I HAD IT TO 5.5. I RAN THE AUTO NOW THAT IT IS COMPLETE SHOULD I LEAVE IT SET AT 5.5 ON THE DIAL ON THE SUB??? WHEN I RAN THE AUTO SET UP IT WENT THROUGH AND MADE ALL THE CHANGES, I COULDNT FIND OUT HOW TO SKIP THE SPEAKER SETTINGS AND IT KEPT CHANGING THEM TO LARGE, I HAD TO GO BACK AFTER IT WAS DONE AND CHANGE MY CENTER AND FRONTS BACK TO SMALL. WHEN I RAN THE YPAO A WARNING CAME UP AND IT SAID "WARNING 1: PHASE" ANY IDEA WHAT THIS MEANS.

SORRY FOR THE MILLION QUESTIONS.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
What is the model of your receiver? Depending on the receiver, phase means a speaker is connected incorrectly, or the sub phase is incorrect. My receiver specifies.
I am having trouble getting logged onto the Yamaha site, so someone else will have to look-up your manual for you. All of this information should be in your manual under "AUTO SET-UP".
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
i HAVE THE YAMAHA HTR 5960, I LOOKED IT UP AND IT SAYS THE SPEAKER POLARITY MAY BE INCORRECT BUT SOMETIMES THIS WARNING CAN COME UP EVEN IF CONNECTED PROPERLY, SHOULD I LEAVE THE SETTING AT 5.5 ON THE SUB WHICH IS THE LEVEL I RAN THE AUTO SET UP ON?
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
i HAVE THE YAMAHA HTR 5960, I LOOKED IT UP AND IT SAYS THE SPEAKER POLARITY MAY BE INCORRECT BUT SOMETIMES THIS WARNING CAN COME UP EVEN IF CONNECTED PROPERLY, SHOULD I LEAVE THE SETTING AT 5.5 ON THE SUB WHICH IS THE LEVEL I RAN THE AUTO SET UP ON?
I run YPAO with my sub volume set to 12 o'clock. After it has finished, I turn it up a little more if I want more. If it is a movie with too much LFE, I turn it down. Most of the time, it stays at 12 o'clock.

I looked in your manual today. You are correct, your receiver doesn't have the SKIP feature. I would start YPAO, and follow the procedure to set to DEFAULT in step 4. Then, start over fresh. Make sure the house is dead silent. I use a small tri-pod on top of pillows set-up on my sofa at my ear level. Run AUTO SET-UP. After it is done, go to page 86, and set all speakers to SMALL. Then, go to page 88 and correct the subwoofer phase. It needs to be set NORMAL. Then set bass out to SWFR. On that same page, set the crossover. Depending on your center channels FR, you may want to give 60 a shot, otherwise use 80. Then, go to page 90 and be sure to choose AUTO PEQ. On page 91, be sure your Dynamic Range is set to MAX. Input mode should be set to AUTO, if it isn't already.(page 93)

Set MEMORY GUARD to ON.(page 96)

None of this can touch what you can do with a set-up disc, and a SPL meter. But, you will be in the ballpark now.
https://svsound.com/products-parts-avia.cfm
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
zumbo!!

thanks for all the help everyone, i did everything you said zumbo and beleive it or not it made a big difference, i set the sub to 12 o clock when i ran the auto set up, made all the adjustments you mentioned and viola!!!!
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
thanks for all the help everyone, i did everything you said zumbo and beleive it or not it made a big difference, i set the sub to 12 o clock when i ran the auto set up, made all the adjustments you mentioned and viola!!!!
:D;):):cool:
 
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moreira85

Audioholic Chief
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so i have been watching movies since i had done the auto set up, tonight i was just checking out some of the settings and i went into manual setup and checked the where the level was for each speaker, as i set the speaker level to the left main there was a nice sound coming from it, then center, then right main, left surround, right surround and everything sounded well matched. when i put it to the subwoofer boston pv1000, there was really no sound coming out of it, there was a sound but it was so low i could barely hear it, is this how it should be??, the only way i get a sound is if i turn the level up to the max on the sub level setting in the receiver (db level). the auto setup on the yamaha receiver put the sub level just about over a quarter of the way up on the db level like -4.5. on the yamaha the db level for the sub goes from -10 to 10db. should i try cranking up the db to 8db?
should i bring this sub in to be checked out to the local home theater shop that deals with boston acoustic around here?
CHECK OUT THIS REVIEW BELOW THAT I DUG UP ON AUDIREVEIW THAT SOMEONE SUBMITTED

"When I first hooked up this beast I thought that I had done something wrong. There was hardly any base, and cranking it up to 11-12 still gave me no staisfaction. Then I continued reading the other sublines in the instruciton manuls to find out if I had set it right. It suggested I use the Y-cable connector, when using line level in. Did that still nothing. I was begginning to wonder If my ears had played tricks on me as i spent almost two hours at the store demoing every single sub there. None of the others came close. I was begginning to shut everything down and bring the sub back or at least have it checked. then came an important line of information in the manual. "Some amplifier has unusually quite output level" Hang on a minute.... Did my amp fall into this category? STarted digging out my Denons AVR1800''s manuals and found( you all should know abou the crappy dennon manuals) the volume setting for the SW vol, cranked it up to 8dbs, did a Pink noise test and wallah! Its alive! recalibrated the sound levels of all the speakers and I was in bussiness! DBOw, check your amp settings! Do not take this Sub back as you will not fine another in its class. I tried almost 6 subwoofers before i was convinced that this sub is excellent! and its footprint?! You will not find another that goes down to 20hz at that size! Next came the music demo. Kitara brings to mind? played it Those kitara base drums really kills subs. The Drums never made the sub rumble like thunder at all, I am not saying that there is no base, just that it give the low thump without the extra vibrations on the subs that i have owned, which made you wonder if a thunderstorm was building up outside. Not what a drum would sound like. Next went the Saving private ryan, I remember reading somewhere in alt.hometheatre.misc, that when the panzers or tigers start rolling in towards the bridge, you could feel the tanks moving. Well I did not feel that tanks moving at all, I thought they were actually in my living room!!! Again it was not thunder like sound type of rumbling, its like what it really is real life! I have been in the army and i have felt the vibrations when a tank moves by."
 
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ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
so i have been watching movies since i had done the auto set up, tonight i was just checking out some of the settings and i went into manual setup and checked the where the level was for each speaker, as i set the speaker level to the left main there was a nice sound coming from it, then center, then right main, left surround, right surround and everything sounded well matched. when i put it to the subwoofer boston pv1000, there was really no sound coming out of it, there was a sound but it was so low i could barely hear it, is this how it should be??, the only way i get a sound is if i turn the level up to the max on the sub level setting in the receiver (db level). the auto setup on the yamaha receiver put the sub level just about over a quarter of the way up on the db level like -4.5. on the yamaha the db level for the sub goes from -10 to 10db. should i try cranking up the db to 8db?
should i bring this sub in to be checked out to the local home theater shop that deals with boston acoustic around here?
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Sounds like something is wrong. Do you have a SPL meter?
 

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