Center Speaker Recommendations...???

bigbangtheory

Audioholic
keeping within a budget of about $500-700. Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks a bunch. You'll be saving me some time by helping me not look in the wrong directions; in other words, there are probably many "right" answers for me. Thanks again!
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
It would help me if you let me know what speakers you'll be using with the center. I see different brands listed in your sig for your mains and your surrounds. Are those for different rooms, or are they all being used in the same room? Thanks.
 

bigbangtheory

Audioholic
It would help me if you let me know what speakers you'll be using with the center. I see different brands listed in your sig for your mains and your surrounds. Are those for different rooms, or are they all being used in the same room? Thanks.
Good point! The main HT room has the pioneers as mains, def tech surrounds, and (soon to be) svs sub. It's a great big room with a vaulted ceiling and 16 foot cedar planks on the walls. Lots of places for the sound to go.

So... naturally, I am kinda looking at the center channel to bring things in a little and keep the sound from getting too unfocused.

Thanks for your time!
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Actually, the only right answer would be another Pioneer to match the timbre of the others. Otherwise you may be playing "musical centers" to find the right timbre match. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230181708870

I realize you may be married to those Pios, but if you're willing to spend that $$ on a center you might consider upgrading the front soundstage for a cohesive sound image. Figure out which direction you'd like to go, and start by purchasing the center. Then replace the Pios when you can.
 
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Gimpy Ric

Gimpy Ric

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keeping within a budget of about $500-700. Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks a bunch. You'll be saving me some time by helping me not look in the wrong directions; in other words, there are probably many "right" answers for me. Thanks again!
Most of us use a center speaker made by the maker of the mains, therefore keeping even timbre as sounds moves around the screen.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
BBT,

outside of price, any other limitations, namely size and placement? Per usual, many people are promoting the "matching center". It is imo that this point is sometimes over-emphasized. Though many here have the impression that it is the front sound-stage that is key, I find often times the mains are simply surround speakers that happen to be placed up front. Also, I have been told that Dolby and DTS recommend a similar size speaker as more important than matching brands. Of course, matching brands does help to match timbre. But I feel this is much less important with HT than it is with mult-ch music.

Anyways, can you have a tower as a center? A bookshelf? If it has to be horizontal, can it be placed on a stand in front/below display? If not, what kind of dimensions are the limitations? (and what are the dimensions of your mains?)

Me? what I would look for in a center? Lack of sibilance and/or "accuracy" of dialogue. Then dispersion and extension would be a very distant 2nd/3rd. While perfectly matching (assuming that matching would be more important than size) is cool and all, would you take a healthy amount of sibilance to be sure to match? I wouldn't.

Then again, some speakers can sound more similarly than others. Just my opinions, have fun.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Center choice the most difficult of all

The center speaker selection is a difficult problem. Really the coverage patterns (lobing), and tonality of the front and center speakers need to be very carefully thought about and controlled. Otherwise their is too much opportunity for interference effect between speakers. A center speaker must have excellent voice clarity, without boom or sibilance, and still have a respectable bass performance.

The vast majority of center speakers just can't work and don't. The D'Appolito MTM format is frequently used and then turned 90 degrees off axis. This gives quite the wrong lobing pattern! If the speaker is orientated vertically then the listening axis is too far above or below the screen, unless a projection system with an acoustically transparent screen is used.

It has long seemed to me that a center speaker using either a full range driver or coaxial speakers, fits the bill most closley.

Full rangers are scarce. The Fostex and Lowther drivers require back horn loading, which is impractical for a center speaker. I think a good center speaker could be made using one of TED Jordan's metal cone speakers. E.J. Jordan Designs.

As far as I'm aware only KEF and Tannoy market coaxial center channel complete speakers. Both of these are worthy of consideration.

For the home constructor, SEAS of Norway have good coaxial drivers among their offerings. A SEAS Lokie kit can be purchased from Madisound. I think that would make a good center channel speaker.

I designed my center channel speaker around SEAS coaxial drivers. I used two, but the upper driver is for correction of the step response only, and the Tweeter is not used in the upper driver. The speaker is a transmission line design, and it is superb. The front panel slopes to put the drivers on the optimal axis. I don't know of another that comes even close. The human voice is reproduced to perfection.

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/gallery/2424008#127077317

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/gallery/2424008#127077128

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/gallery/2424278#127085269

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/gallery/2424278#127083564

Your cheapest and quickest solution is to opt for the Lokie
 

bigbangtheory

Audioholic
Thanks to all. You've offered me some great ideas to consider. Always loving this site for learning from others! Thanks guys.

I think I am saving up for somewhat of a "package deal" timbre matched mains and center channel for the most seamless soundstage I can get. :)

I like some of the offerings by RBH, but am also intrigued with some products by DALI, although I may have to unload some older gear to get closer to purchasing time.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
keeping within a budget of about $500-700. Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks a bunch. You'll be saving me some time by helping me not look in the wrong directions; in other words, there are probably many "right" answers for me. Thanks again!
Option 1: Buy another pair of Pioneer CS99A and use 1 for Center (or Two):D

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-Vintage-Pioneer-6-Way-Speakers-CS-99A_W0QQitemZ220148514398QQcmdZViewItem

Option 2: Get the Def Tech CLR2500 (w/built-in 150-watts subwoofer).
 
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