Audioholics and objectivity

mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Sorry for the rant. I just wanted to add some perspective to the issue of negative reviews. I wish the Audioholics crew much success with the on-line store. I've been an e-merchant for 10 years and I know how hard it is to do. I'm sure they will get it done well.
No, rant but good insights:D Just what we also need. Or, the new person who may read this, actually.:D
 
no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
The wait and see approach is a good idea for our regulars - also note that we aren't positioning ourselves as the lowest price in town, but rather are selling to people who will appreciate seeing some brands they can't get anywhere else and also value-added warranties, support and package deals. Some of the brands we are talking to will be all but exclusive to our store - which is exciting. This pricing is also the only way we'll be able to carry (now and down the road) certain brands that we wish to inventory.
That is what I find exciting about the Audioholics storefront; Polk can be found anywhere on-line, the same cannot be said of DALI (for example).

And as Seth pointed out, think of how many more people will be coming to the forums and then be getting good answers to there A/V questions. :D
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
That is what I find exciting about the Audioholics storefront; Polk can be found anywhere on-line, the same cannot be said of DALI (for example).
http://www.audiophileliquidator.net/index.php?manufacturers_id=71&osCsid=48d64af62f2a250b4eecf2acef69a877

I know a brand that is hard to find, but of the utmost quality at a fair price.
MB QUART! MB QUART! MB QUART!


US dealer search response:
Regrettably, we are unable to provide yet dealer addresses for your country. Please contact the distributor(s) for your country for further information on MB QUART dealers.

Maxxonics USA, Inc.

Phone: +1 847-540-7700
Fax: +1 847-540-9776
E-Mail: info@maxxsonics.com
Internet: www.maxxsonics.com

Postal address:
1290 Ensell Road
Lake Zurich. Illinois 60047
USA
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I know a brand that is hard to find, but of the utmost quality at a fair price.
MB QUART! MB QUART! MB QUART!
Strange. I didn't know that you liked them. :D As you've pointed out a few times, though, you can get them at Amazon.
 
Z

zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Strange. I didn't know that you liked them. :D As you've pointed out a few times, though, you can get them at Amazon.
Sure. But that doesn't seem to be much competition for the kind of business Audioholics is talking about. I would certainly buy my Quarts from an AV dealer such as Audioholics before Amazon.:)

Also, Amazon is not listed as an authorized dealer on MBQ's site. That would be another strong selling point, not to mention the reviews.

I would, however, continue to get my can openers, irons, and such, from Amazon.:D
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I really like this forum. I've rarely missed a day here, even if it's just to see what Adam, avaserfi or Seth=L has to say about a particular topic or to look at Robbie's photographs.
I must say, I'm quite honored to be mentioned like that, and in such company. Thanks, Dave. I also rarely (read "never") miss a day here. Great, great forum and group of people.

I look forward to seeing what the new store has to offer. I generally like new opportunities. I can understand people's concerns, but also realize (as others have said) that manufacturers already have an avenue for influence here by means of ad revenue. If the Audioholics gang can remain objective under the current conditions, I think that they'll stay the course just fine with the store front.

Offer a 30-day no-risk trial period (free shipping both ways), and I'd be all over that! :) No, no...I don't actually expect that.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Wow! An Audioholic store? I think that's great. Audio/Video reviews are never 100% objective anyway no matter who does the reviewing. It's human nature. But I trust Audioholics & their reviews so I will also trust an Audioholic store.
 
F

fmw

Audioholic Ninja
We will be selling MB Quart speakers - WITH THEIR BLESSING.
That's big deal. I remember I tried to put up a high end aucio equipment e-commerce store 10 years ago. The manufacturers absolutely hated the idea and wouldn't do it. My pitch was that many people (like me) don't live where high end audio products are readily available. My plan was to sell the products at whatever price the manufacturers wanted. The customer would get a free in-home demo, keep the product if desired or return it paying only the shipping in both directions. The manufacturers wouldn't budge. I never understood it. It wasn't likely to hurt their dealers who would have more price flexibility then I would. It would provide in home "auditioning" and would make the product available to people who wouldn't buy it now.

I ended up putting up a site that sold vacuum tubes and accessories. It did OK but I abandoned it after about 3 years because I had better producing e-commerce sites in other industries and the vacuum tube manufacturers in Russia were starting to get out of the tube business.

Glad things have changed.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Strange. I didn't know that you liked them (MB Quart). :D As you've pointed out a few times, though, you can get them at Amazon.
The MB Quart S-One look great and probably sounds great, but the specs don't look as good for $900 per speaker. The frequency response appears to be around 50-20,000 Hz +/- 3dB?

I am aware that specs & numbers don't tell the whole story. There are other factors like actual sound & aesthetics. But I can name 10 "respectable-name" speakers with better frequency response that cost less.

Maybe the bookshelf MB Quart speakers are better options, but why would anyone buy the S-one floorstanding?
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
The MB Quart S-One look great and probably sounds great, but the specs don't look as good for $900 per speaker. The frequency response appears to be around 50-20,000 Hz +/- 3dB?

I am aware that specs & numbers don't tell the whole story. There are other factors like actual sound & aesthetics. But I can name 10 "respectable-name" speakers with better frequency response that cost less.

Maybe the bookshelf MB Quart speakers are better options, but why would anyone buy the S-one floorstanding?
You are only looking at on axis frequency response, off axis is just as important in most cases except in near field listening which most people don't do! Also, you are mistaking a larger frequency range as better which isn't necessarily the case "what SPL can it maintain this linearity at?" is another good question since many speakers with a lower end can't play those low frequencies loudly enough to be useful.

You really need to stop focusing on one specification of the speaker as it doesn't even tell close to the whole story!
 
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Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Ahhh, speaker specs.

I sense a new direction coming to this thread.

 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You are only looking at on axis frequency response, off axis is just as important in most cases except in near field listening which most people don't do! Also, you are mistaking a larger frequency range as better which isn't necessarily the case "what SPL can it maintain this linearity at?" is another good question since many speakers with a lower end can't play those low frequencies loudly enough to be useful.

You really need to stop focusing on one specification of the speaker as it doesn't even tell close to the whole story!
Yeah, like I did say, specs & numbers don't tell the whole story: "I am aware that specs & numbers don't tell the whole story. There are other factors like actual sound & aesthetics."

When people buy speakers, obviously most of them cannot audition every single speaker. They probably want a starting point. So most people will first look at the specs. That's their first impression. If the given specs don't even look impressive, people are probably not going to even audition the speakers. If the frequency response +/- 3dB is not important at all and nobody cares, I guess there's no point for speaker companies to advertise it, is there? I mean is there a more important spec about a speaker? Sensitivity? Most companies don't even tell you their off-axis response, so it's very difficult to compare.

So I hope this doesn't offend people with speakers that don't have great overall specs. It's okay. They are just numbers. That's all I have to compare them with. It's just a starting point.

I'm just stating the obvious fact about the MB Quart S-One. Without having the opportunity to audtion one, it's my first impression of it.

Has anyone actually listened to a pair?
 
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AbyssalLoris

Audioholic
I agree with this line of reasoning AcuDT. Obviously, there is a multitude of factors that contributes to the sound and one can't judge by the freq response alone, not nearly. But if there is one spec anyone mentions, it is freq response (on-axis). When most people start out looking for speakers, they have dozens or scores of choices. You have to eliminate most and trim it down to a few that you can then seek and audition. I would look for any possible way to eliminate a speaker and the slightest red flag I see will take it out of contention for me. Unless it so happens that the speaker is waiting for me.. like.. next door so I may listen to it whenever I please. Otherwise, how does one decide? So I will say that the spec needs to compete also.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I agree with this line of reasoning AcuDT. Obviously, there is a multitude of factors that contributes to the sound and one can't judge by the freq response alone, not nearly. But if there is one spec anyone mentions, it is freq response (on-axis). When most people start out looking for speakers, they have dozens or scores of choices. You have to eliminate most and trim it down to a few that you can then seek and audition. I would look for any possible way to eliminate a speaker and the slightest red flag I see will take it out of contention for me. Unless it so happens that the speaker is waiting for me.. like.. next door so I may listen to it whenever I please. Otherwise, how does one decide? So I will say that the spec needs to compete also.
Thank you!

I was begining to think I was going mad or in the Twilight Zone or something:)
 
Z

zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
........And somewhere Zumbo smiled:D
It has made my morning.:D Finally, fingers crossed, others will have a chance to hear and see the quality of this speaker company.

Alexxa specs.
B-1 Bookshelf response is 41-32. http://www.mbquart.com/en/produkte/home/alexxa/produkt.php?nr=b-one
S-1 Floorstander is 33-32. http://www.mbquart.com/en/produkte/home/alexxa/produkt.php?nr=s-one
C-1 Certer is 36-32.(with 5.25" drivers) http://www.mbquart.com/en/produkte/home/alexxa/produkt.php?nr=c-one

I don't know where those other specs came from.
 
Jey Jockey

Jey Jockey

Junior Audioholic
i believe AH once said that they won't let products they don't believe in to advertise. hence, you won't see a bad review of a product they don't like advertising.

I do not doubt AH and their ethics one bit, If i did i would not be here. However, money talks and ..well..you know the rest of that line. If I was running the company and "Bose" offered my company a million bucks for a 5 year deal...guess what? My point is simply where does money versus ethics become very muddied? Hope I don't get banned for this.
 

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