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klix58

Junior Audioholic
If all my gear works with both but my display handles only 1080i do I face any obsticals?
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
No, you just need to be sure that your sources send 1080i or less. Your display will deinterlace the 1080i to 1080p.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
No, you just need to be sure that your sources send 1080i or less. Your display will deinterlace the 1080i to 1080p.
If his display only handles 1080i, what is its native res? 720p or 1080p?
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
If his display only handles 1080i, what is its native res? 720p or 1080p?
If the display is a CRT likely the native resolution is 1080i if it is a fixed panel display then the native resolution would be 720p as it couldn't be 1080i.

So you should set your components to output 1080i if you have a CRT and 720p if it is anything else. Either way you won't need to worry about any obstacles.
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
If his display only handles 1080i, what is its native res? 720p or 1080p?
1080P. What is limited is 1080i as an input. Older TV's commonly had that limitation since all 1080 sources were interlaced prior to HD discs.
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
If the display is a CRT likely the native resolution is 1080i
I thought a CRT by design is interlaced so even if you feed progressive signal, the output is interlaced. Further, there is no native resoulution, in this case the input scaler's ability to process signal will define the video input limitations and the electron gun will define the height and width of the image.
1080P. What is limited is 1080i as an input. Older TV's commonly had that limitation since all 1080 sources were interlaced prior to HD discs.
It is cannot be 1080p. IMHO, I have not heard of a 1080 native TV that can only accept 1080i sources. As regards the limitations of older TVs, I highly doubt it was because no 1080p sources were available. It was probably determined by cost and market demand.
 
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avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
I thought a CRT by design is interlaced so even if you feed progressive signal, the output is interlaced. Further, there is no native resoulution, in this case the input scaler's ability to process signal will define the video input limitations and the electron gun will define the height and width of the image.
I was pretty sure older CRTs were interlaced, but newer CRTs that were HD displayed progressive images properly, although it is possible I am mistaken.

In terms of native resolution, I guess I would have been referring to the dot pitch on a CRT which is how far apart pixels are on the display and thus the max resolution, not the native.

I think I was just trying to keep things simple, but don't really remember, as the post was made a little while back.
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
It was yesterday :eek:. You need to slow down :D.
Hah, I have been swamped with work, and keep thinking, more like hoping, today is Friday...I guess it was yesterday. Maybe I am going mad :eek:.
 
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klix58

Junior Audioholic
Okay, I have an older Denon DVD player, Direct TV HD box and am purchasing a Denon 4308 as well as a HD dvd player. My current displya is a 61" Samsung DLP that claims 1080i resolution. With the HD TV box and HD player and the conversion options in the Denon, will the combination work or should I be concerned about upgrading the TV to a 1080P? I am sorry but that is procbably the way I should have posted at the start, and thanks for all the input thus far.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
First and foremost - No, you will have no issues with legacy equipment in this brilliant age of 1080p. All current 1080p sources can be played at lower resolutions which typically include 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i.

For your display... it doesn't matter what the native resolution is. People above are confusing the issue, but we will discuss it anyway.

It seems a lot of people don't realize that when 1080p displays first hit the market, the microchips necessary to process 1080p sources did not exist in vast supply. So, they hobbled together some chips that could convert 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i to 1080p resolution for their new 1080p displays. The general public didn't care, or notice as all the sources on the market were NOT 1080p.

Step forward a couple of years and you now have 1080p displays which all accept 1080p resolution as well as 1080i, 720p... etc. If you have your ear to the ground on displays, a 'new' term related to 1080p is the ability to handle both 60hz source material (1080p/60) and 24hz source material (1080p/24). This is actually something that I've been expecting for the last 3 years since Blu-ray was announced.

klix58 - Rest assured that you will have no NEED to upgrade your display. A 61" DLP is still perfectly capable of handling all the standard HD resolutions up to 1080i... It will CONVERT those resolutions to the native resolution of your display. Actually, since you don't know the native resolution of your display, and you didn't provide a model number, it's impossible for us to know if your display is 1080p, 720p, or something else. It is most likely that your display either has a native resolution of 1280x720 (720p) or of 1920x1080 (1080p) achieved through wobulation.

Does it matter what your displays native resolution is? Maybe. But, for this conversation, it does not. There are several articles relating to resolution vs. seating distance available on this site and online if you want to dig into that as an excuse for a system upgrade.

Also - do your homework on the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray debate before purchasing any players - if you haven't already.
 
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klix58

Junior Audioholic
BMXTRIX, Wow and thank you. I dont have the model number in front of me to confirm its native resolution. It is 16 months old and to the best of my recall the native is the 720p with (if this makes sense) the ability to display 1080i. I have read everything on the formats and will wait a while longer.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
BMXTRIX, Wow and thank you. I dont have the model number in front of me to confirm its native resolution. It is 16 months old and to the best of my recall the native is the 720p with (if this makes sense) the ability to display 1080i. I have read everything on the formats and will wait a while longer.
Yes, that makes sense. If you think about someone who speaks English, and ONLY English - they may still be able to hear and understand French, Spanish, German, and English. But, before they can verbalize the different languages, they must all be translated to English.

Your TV works the same way. It speaks one language (720p), but it understands many languages (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i). It converts all non-native languages (480i, 480p, 1080i) to the native language (720p) then puts it out. It typically does best with the native language though (720p).
 
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klix58

Junior Audioholic
The Samsung is HL-S6186W, it looks at though native is 720P, again thank you for the quality feedback.
 
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