wire Senior Audioholic Jul 6, 2006 630 0 18 Sep 20, 2007 #21 mtrycrafts said: I'll be right over. Is it a bike ride away? I'll even bring my boomboxes for grins. Click to expand... Hehe I just want to see the Yammy's bottom out and sound like crap . Put the Yammy vs a Sunfire .
mtrycrafts said: I'll be right over. Is it a bike ride away? I'll even bring my boomboxes for grins. Click to expand... Hehe I just want to see the Yammy's bottom out and sound like crap . Put the Yammy vs a Sunfire .
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Sep 20, 2007 #22 Seth=L said: I laughed out loud at this post. Click to expand... I hate to admit it, but, me too!
E Elvis1977 Audioholic Intern Jul 5, 2007 48 0 6 Sep 20, 2007 #23 There is nothing wrong with my JBL speaker system
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Sep 20, 2007 #24 Elvis1977 said: There is nothing wrong with my JBL speaker system Click to expand... You are right. I think people are only suggesting that better speakers may get you more sound quality improvements than going from the 4306 to the 645 or 745. Those JBL speakers are very nice, but there are better ones, just like there are better receivers.
Elvis1977 said: There is nothing wrong with my JBL speaker system Click to expand... You are right. I think people are only suggesting that better speakers may get you more sound quality improvements than going from the 4306 to the 645 or 745. Those JBL speakers are very nice, but there are better ones, just like there are better receivers.
Seth=L Audioholic Overlord Sep 26, 2006 13,444 0 113 Sep 20, 2007 #25 PENG said: You are right. I think people are only suggesting that better speakers may get you more sound quality improvements than going from the 4306 to the 645 or 745. Those JBL speakers are very nice, but there are better ones, just like there are better receivers. Click to expand... Right, and speakers have a much more profound effect on the SQ of a sound system than a receiver. I have nothing against your speakers, they are good for the money, but as a general rule 2/3 of an audio budget should be for speakers.
PENG said: You are right. I think people are only suggesting that better speakers may get you more sound quality improvements than going from the 4306 to the 645 or 745. Those JBL speakers are very nice, but there are better ones, just like there are better receivers. Click to expand... Right, and speakers have a much more profound effect on the SQ of a sound system than a receiver. I have nothing against your speakers, they are good for the money, but as a general rule 2/3 of an audio budget should be for speakers.
mike c Audioholic Warlord Jul 27, 2005 9,514 0 113 Manila Sep 20, 2007 #26 Elvis1977 said: There is nothing wrong with my JBL speaker system Click to expand... you're right, there's nothing wrong with your speakers. they weren't laughing at you, but at what mtrycrafts said. but I agree with what PENG said, with a slight variation, if you upgrade your sub, you'll get far more improvement in SQ than receivers or speakers (costing within reason). i have listened to that sub extensively in the store (as in, I was in the store the whole day for several sundays) ... it doesn't even match the DLS-R from Velodyne.
Elvis1977 said: There is nothing wrong with my JBL speaker system Click to expand... you're right, there's nothing wrong with your speakers. they weren't laughing at you, but at what mtrycrafts said. but I agree with what PENG said, with a slight variation, if you upgrade your sub, you'll get far more improvement in SQ than receivers or speakers (costing within reason). i have listened to that sub extensively in the store (as in, I was in the store the whole day for several sundays) ... it doesn't even match the DLS-R from Velodyne.
E Elvis1977 Audioholic Intern Jul 5, 2007 48 0 6 Sep 20, 2007 #27 Yeh I understand what you guys are saying. Tommorrow the 745 is arriving at my home and I will test it out. I will probably keep it since I loved the 645 sound and later upgrade the sub. But nobody has an explanation as to why a $2000 Denon (4306) does not sound as good as a $599 HK. I could not believe it myself. I dragged a neighbor into my theater room and blindfolded him to some popular PINK FLOYD songs and he also liked HK over DENON. The LOGIC7 is freaking unbelievale in sound quality!
Yeh I understand what you guys are saying. Tommorrow the 745 is arriving at my home and I will test it out. I will probably keep it since I loved the 645 sound and later upgrade the sub. But nobody has an explanation as to why a $2000 Denon (4306) does not sound as good as a $599 HK. I could not believe it myself. I dragged a neighbor into my theater room and blindfolded him to some popular PINK FLOYD songs and he also liked HK over DENON. The LOGIC7 is freaking unbelievale in sound quality!
avaserfi Audioholic Ninja Mar 4, 2007 3,295 0 113 40 College Station, TX Sep 20, 2007 #28 Maybe this is why... Elvis1977 said: But nobody has an explanation as to why a $2000 Denon (4306) does not sound as good as a $599 HK. Click to expand... Did you level match the two while doing the blinded test? Often times louder is perceived as better when in reality it isn't... I have skimmed the thread and saw no mention of it. Just an idea anyways as now its too late to go back and level match if you hadn't. Also, if this wasn't a double blinded test you could have biased your friends, even though they were blindfolded, through your tone of voice or word choice. In the end there are a variety of factors that can account for perceived increase sound quality besides real differences in sound quality that might not have been controlled for. Also, I am not saying there wasn't a difference. I am just playing devil's advocate as you asked why there was this perceived difference between receivers. Last edited: Sep 20, 2007
Maybe this is why... Elvis1977 said: But nobody has an explanation as to why a $2000 Denon (4306) does not sound as good as a $599 HK. Click to expand... Did you level match the two while doing the blinded test? Often times louder is perceived as better when in reality it isn't... I have skimmed the thread and saw no mention of it. Just an idea anyways as now its too late to go back and level match if you hadn't. Also, if this wasn't a double blinded test you could have biased your friends, even though they were blindfolded, through your tone of voice or word choice. In the end there are a variety of factors that can account for perceived increase sound quality besides real differences in sound quality that might not have been controlled for. Also, I am not saying there wasn't a difference. I am just playing devil's advocate as you asked why there was this perceived difference between receivers.
E Elvis1977 Audioholic Intern Jul 5, 2007 48 0 6 Sep 20, 2007 #29 Yeah that's a good observation, but too late. You see I have already mentioned that both receivers were 41 lbs in weight and the DENON cut off when pushed at higher volumes while the hk wanted more power and NEVER cut off. I played "HEY YOU" from PINK FLOYD and several other songs. I'm not saying the DENON was bad by any means. It sounded very good, but the HK was better. Maybe the 50 HCC amps in HK engineering played a role in sound. Both receivers were warm sounding. My gut instinct tells me that DENON receivers are probably overpriced, but well built. $2000 VS $599= ???? Last edited: Sep 20, 2007
Yeah that's a good observation, but too late. You see I have already mentioned that both receivers were 41 lbs in weight and the DENON cut off when pushed at higher volumes while the hk wanted more power and NEVER cut off. I played "HEY YOU" from PINK FLOYD and several other songs. I'm not saying the DENON was bad by any means. It sounded very good, but the HK was better. Maybe the 50 HCC amps in HK engineering played a role in sound. Both receivers were warm sounding. My gut instinct tells me that DENON receivers are probably overpriced, but well built. $2000 VS $599= ????
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Sep 20, 2007 #30 In addition to level matching, if you are interested purely in sound quality. it is better to set both units to two channel 'pure direct' or something like that and play some high quality music CDs, instead of using logic 7, DVD movies, or other processed sound effects. Anyway, if it is too late, then why not just enjoy your 745 and assume HK sounds better regardless of the reasons. One fact to keep in mind though, based on more than one lab measurements, the lower model Denon 3805 (37.5 lbs) has significantly higher power output into both 8 ohms and 4 ohms (higher current) than the equivalent HK 630 (also 41 lbs). I would think it is unlikely that the 645 has more power output than the 4306. My be something else was causing your unit to sound harsh at high volume.
In addition to level matching, if you are interested purely in sound quality. it is better to set both units to two channel 'pure direct' or something like that and play some high quality music CDs, instead of using logic 7, DVD movies, or other processed sound effects. Anyway, if it is too late, then why not just enjoy your 745 and assume HK sounds better regardless of the reasons. One fact to keep in mind though, based on more than one lab measurements, the lower model Denon 3805 (37.5 lbs) has significantly higher power output into both 8 ohms and 4 ohms (higher current) than the equivalent HK 630 (also 41 lbs). I would think it is unlikely that the 645 has more power output than the 4306. My be something else was causing your unit to sound harsh at high volume.
E Elvis1977 Audioholic Intern Jul 5, 2007 48 0 6 Sep 20, 2007 #31 I compared both units using all listening modes (direct, all channel stereo, surround, etc.)
A AbyssalLoris Audioholic Aug 20, 2007 173 0 18 Sep 20, 2007 #32 Elvis1977 said: I dragged a neighbor into my theater room and blindfolded him Click to expand... ...um..uh... It's ok to like the HK better, no need for violence. Remember, crime does not pay .
Elvis1977 said: I dragged a neighbor into my theater room and blindfolded him Click to expand... ...um..uh... It's ok to like the HK better, no need for violence. Remember, crime does not pay .
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,550 0 113 Sep 20, 2007 #33 Seth=L said: When did H/K, Denon, and Yamaha start making Boomboxes? Click to expand... Oh, it is a different brand, just to see if it is different, audibly, or visually
Seth=L said: When did H/K, Denon, and Yamaha start making Boomboxes? Click to expand... Oh, it is a different brand, just to see if it is different, audibly, or visually
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,550 0 113 Sep 20, 2007 #34 wire said: Hehe I just want to see the Yammy's bottom out and sound like crap . Put the Yammy vs a Sunfire . Click to expand... Hey, bring everything, we'll make it a fest of some kind. But remember, we cannot exceed the design limits.
wire said: Hehe I just want to see the Yammy's bottom out and sound like crap . Put the Yammy vs a Sunfire . Click to expand... Hey, bring everything, we'll make it a fest of some kind. But remember, we cannot exceed the design limits.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,550 0 113 Sep 20, 2007 #35 mike c said: they weren't laughing at you, but at what mtrycrafts said. . Click to expand... Then I succeeded
mike c said: they weren't laughing at you, but at what mtrycrafts said. . Click to expand... Then I succeeded
Seth=L Audioholic Overlord Sep 26, 2006 13,444 0 113 Sep 21, 2007 #36 mtrycrafts said: Hey, bring everything, we'll make it a fest of some kind. But remember, we cannot exceed the design limits. Click to expand... I will bring the Durabrand HTIAB receiver unit!
mtrycrafts said: Hey, bring everything, we'll make it a fest of some kind. But remember, we cannot exceed the design limits. Click to expand... I will bring the Durabrand HTIAB receiver unit!
Alex2507 Audioholic Slumlord Dec 29, 2006 18,125 0 113 Nunya Bidness Sep 21, 2007 #37 If you do ever want H/K stuff you can get it refurbed by H/K here for cheap and with a full warranty from H/K. Tech support and returns are painless. Monster cable can be had for a lot less than BJC. Don't get me wrong, I would rather have BJC but I had to go with another well made cable that cost less. Oops! Got my threads confused. http://stores.ebay.com/Harman-Audio_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm
If you do ever want H/K stuff you can get it refurbed by H/K here for cheap and with a full warranty from H/K. Tech support and returns are painless. Monster cable can be had for a lot less than BJC. Don't get me wrong, I would rather have BJC but I had to go with another well made cable that cost less. Oops! Got my threads confused. http://stores.ebay.com/Harman-Audio_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm
wire Senior Audioholic Jul 6, 2006 630 0 18 Sep 21, 2007 #38 Elvis1977 said: There is nothing wrong with my JBL speaker system Click to expand... Yeh I have not heard the new JBL , but many years ago , i heard some with a Carver2000 receiver with Sonicholigram on , there SQ was very good . Although you know the nickname for JBL = Junk but loud . Don't worry JBL is good stuff , just look at there high end speakers , there at a SQ quality that very few can touch .
Elvis1977 said: There is nothing wrong with my JBL speaker system Click to expand... Yeh I have not heard the new JBL , but many years ago , i heard some with a Carver2000 receiver with Sonicholigram on , there SQ was very good . Although you know the nickname for JBL = Junk but loud . Don't worry JBL is good stuff , just look at there high end speakers , there at a SQ quality that very few can touch .
wire Senior Audioholic Jul 6, 2006 630 0 18 Sep 21, 2007 #39 Seth=L said: I will bring the Durabrand HTIAB receiver unit! Click to expand... Ill bring the Yammy .
Seth=L said: I will bring the Durabrand HTIAB receiver unit! Click to expand... Ill bring the Yammy .
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,550 0 113 Sep 21, 2007 #40 Seth=L said: I will bring the Durabrand HTIAB receiver unit! Click to expand... I hope they have a cheap campground nearby for the length we will be there I guess the bike will no do. Or, better yet, if he has a mansion and can put up everyone.
Seth=L said: I will bring the Durabrand HTIAB receiver unit! Click to expand... I hope they have a cheap campground nearby for the length we will be there I guess the bike will no do. Or, better yet, if he has a mansion and can put up everyone.
