speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
The Quattro does NOT model well. It is really decent from about 35hz on up but below that??? The HF is the best modeling of all the Dayton Drivers. It tunes as low or lower than the Titanic and fits in smaller sealed enclosures with similar or better response. Sure you lose a couple db but you make up for it in accuracy and linearity.
True, but I have also noticed the dayton Reference HF drivers like a vented enclosure too. For example, WINISD modeling shows the HF drivers as being more flat with a steep roll-off down low. But, I do agree that the HF will offer more accuracy and less distortion in a sealed enclosure. Appreciate your input though.
 
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LOL I already own a sub of “Titanic” proportions, and no ice. You can see from my signature.:p:D
 
annunaki

annunaki

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True, but I have also noticed the dayton Reference HF drivers like a vented enclosure too. For example, WINISD modeling shows the HF drivers as being more flat with a steep roll-off down low. But, I do agree that the HF will offer more accuracy and less distortion in a sealed enclosure. Appreciate your input though.
The HF drivers do very well in sealed or ported applications. The Quattro on the other hand does not appear to do well in lower tuned ported enclosures. If memory serves me correct it does not tune well much below 30hz-35hz. In my opinion a 15" woofer should be able to play well down into the 20hz range or lower.

Any woofer that is ported will have a steep roll off as they (ported enclosures) naturally rolloff at 24db/oct. below the tuning frequency. Some woofers, specifically those that are really not ported enclosure woofers, can start rolling off well before the tuning frequency of the enclosure. Then, at the tuning frequency, begin falling away at 24db/oct. compounding the effect.

Sealed woofers naturally roll off at 12db. per octave below the Fs of the sub system (woofer and enclosure, not the sub's Fs). However, in sealed systems the Fs tends to occur at much higher frequencies than where a ported enclosure can be tuned. Even the best sealed subwoofers usually have a FS (when sealed) in the low to mid 40hz range. Room gain effects and parametric Eq's are the saving grace for sealed systems as far as extened low frequency response is concerned. That, and they can be a just a slight bit better in transient response. Well executed ported systems and passive radiator systems can be nearly on par with a sealed system in this respect.

I hope that helps a bit in terms of enclosure choice.

Personally I was a sealed guy for years until I really started playing around with low tuned vented enclosures. I found you can get nearly the same type of transient performance (of sealed) with even more extended low frequency response. Not to mention you need significantly less amplifier.

The only time I will probably consider a sealed system now is if I have a woofer that has significant linear excursion and a high power compression threshold to allow for a parametric eq. A la the JL Audio W7 and W6v2 along with a few others. As I have one(W7), I will be playing around with that avenue in the future.

I really like the idea of well done passive radiator systems as well.
 
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jonnythan

jonnythan

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Personally I was a sealed guy for years until I really started playing around with low tuned vented enclosures. I found you can get nearly the same type of transient performance (of sealed) with even more extended low frequency response. Not to mention you need significantly less amplifier.
Absolutely, but a small sealed box with a giant woofer and tons of amp power is just so sexy ;)
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
What is wrong with a giant woofer, with a giant amplifier, with a giant enclosure, with a giant vent that could swallow your children? :eek: :D :D




I know where you are coming from though.
 
jonnythan

jonnythan

Audioholic Ninja
What is wrong with a giant woofer, with a giant amplifier, with a giant enclosure, with a giant vent that could swallow your children? :eek: :D :D
Hm.

How many children are we talking about here? :cool:



OK, back to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
The HF drivers do very well in sealed or ported applications. The Quattro on the other hand does not appear to do well in lower tuned ported enclosures. If memory serves me correct it does not tune well much below 30hz-35hz. In my opinion a 15" woofer should be able to play well down into the 20hz range or lower.

Any woofer that is ported will have a steep roll off as they (ported enclosures) naturally rolloff at 24db/oct. below the tuning frequency. Some woofers, specifically those that are really not ported enclosure woofers, can start rolling off well before the tuning frequency of the enclosure. Then, at the tuning frequency, begin falling away at 24db/oct. compounding the effect.

Sealed woofers naturally roll off at 12db. per octave below the Fs of the sub system (woofer and enclosure, not the sub's Fs). However, in sealed systems the Fs tends to occur at much higher frequencies than where a ported enclosure can be tuned. Even the best sealed subwoofers usually have a FS (when sealed) in the low to mid 40hz range. Room gain effects and parametric Eq's are the saving grace for sealed systems as far as extened low frequency response is concerned. That, and they can be a just a slight bit better in transient response. Well executed ported systems and passive radiator systems can be nearly on par with a sealed system in this respect.

I hope that helps a bit in terms of enclosure choice.

Personally I was a sealed guy for years until I really started playing around with low tuned vented enclosures. I found you can get nearly the same type of transient performance (of sealed) with even more extended low frequency response. Not to mention you need significantly less amplifier.

The only time I will probably consider a sealed system now is if I have a woofer that has significant linear excursion and a high power compression threshold to allow for a parametric eq. A la the JL Audio W7 and W6v2 along with a few others. As I have one(W7), I will be playing around with that avenue in the future.

I really like the idea of well done passive radiator systems as well.
Very well written with lots of useful info. Hmmmmm.........how did you get to be so smart? Honestly, I have learned a great deal from your posts. Much appreciated my friend. :):)
 
annunaki

annunaki

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That is what I am here for. I like helping others. :)

I like to read. That is where I get most of my information. Self taught so to speak. I have to admit I have been very well blessed with memory retention. If it is interesting to me and I read it once, it usually sticks.

I always strive to keep learning though. You can never learn/know too much. Wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing.
 
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