Speaking of government control/mistakes

[Johnd]

Gonzales Resigns:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/27/washington/27cnd-gonzales.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

It was only a matter of time. I wonder what George is thinking?

 

[Joe Schmoe]

I wonder what George is thinking?

I hope George is thinking "He set an excellent example, now I should resign too."

 

[Johnd]

I hope George is thinking "He set an excellent example, now I should resign too."

I'm not far off Joe Schmoe. This was his hand-picked "legal eagle" that also represented his tolerance of race and immigration. "I have no recollection of that." Hmmm...

 

[10010011]

I wonder if he can recall the exact moment he flushed his career down the toilet?

 

[Johnd]

I wonder if he can recall the exact moment he flushed his career down the toilet?

He did perfect that term at the congressional hearings, didn't he? It's just kind of funny how George remains so aloof. They are old friends, and this was his handpicked lackey. As Senator Feingold stated, we need an A.G. that is more true to the law than to the President. We'll see.

 

[stratman]

He did perfect that term at the congressional hearings, didn't he? It's just kind of funny how George remains so aloof. They are old friends, and this was his handpicked lackey. As Senator Feingold stated, we need an A.G. that is more true to the law than to the President. We'll see.

Yeah another just like Janet Reno, more true to the law than to the President. Remember her little hiccup? Waco, gee selective memory works wonders. Feingold needs a brain enema, she's needed it for years.

 

[Johnd]

Yeah another just like Janet Reno, more true to the law than to the President. Remember her little hiccup? Waco, gee selective memory works wonders. Feingold needs a brain enema, she's needed it for years.

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Yeah, I got a question. Huh?

 

[annunaki]

This is an example of the partisan politics that are ruining our country. Each side is so intent on lampooning the other in hopes to win elections that nothing gets done for the good of the country and it's rightful citizens. Our government and legislators need a wake up call. If we keep voting in the same old people things won't change. I say that anyone who has not shown that they have America's best interests at heart, should be voted out of office. First and foremost would be anyone who supported the "amnesty", I mean immigration bill. That would include the president himself as he supported it.

The people have lost faith in the government. It shows in the polls because fewer than 50% of the people now vote as they feel it won't matter anyway. Nothing ever changes as it always seems to be about party politics rather than the good of America and her real, legal citizens.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Using a flimsy excuse to start a war and even flimsier excuses to keep it going while sending young American men to die and dramatically increasing the national debt is most definitely not for the good of the country and it's citizens.

 

[jinjuku]

This is an example of the partisan politics that are ruining our country. Each side is so intent on lampooning the other in hopes to win elections that nothing gets done for the good of the country and it's rightful citizens. Our government and legislators need a wake up call. If we keep voting in the same old people things won't change. I say that anyone who has not shown that they have America's best interests at heart, should be voted out of office. First and foremost would be anyone who supported the "amnesty", I mean immigration bill. That would include the president himself as he supported it.

The people have lost faith in the government. It shows in the polls because fewer than 50% of the people now vote as they feel it won't matter anyway. Nothing ever changes as it always seems to be about party politics rather than the good of America and her real, legal citizens.

I dunno about partisan bickering, but any time you have an Attorney General that doesn't understand the implicit right of Habeus Corpus for U.S. Citizens. Most likely a poor pick to start with.

 

[annunaki]

Using a flimsy excuse to start a war and even flimsier excuses to keep it going while sending young American men to die and dramatically increasing the national debt is most definitely not for the good of the country and it's citizens.

If they were going to start a war they should have fought it like one. Not some PC silly excuse of one. If you are going to fight an enemy then let your boys fight them instead of holding them back and tying an arm behind their back. No to mention pressing charges against those doing their jobs. (Some soldiers have been in the wrong in very limited cases. Without knowing the full details of any situation it is tough to pass judgement on any accused.) Let the Generals and the men there fight the war not try to micro-manage it from Washington.

We are doing much good there though regarless of the trash we are fed here from the media. I have three friends who have been there first hand (one who still is) to attest to that and one who gave his life.

It was doomed from the beginning the way they are running it though.

I completely agree on the debt issue. There is no need to spend the country into oblivion. There are many was we can be more responsible fiscally speaking.

 

[Mort Corey]

Well, if you listen to all but one of the contenders now running to replace The Decider, there's not a great degree of difference....nuance maybe but not really anything different. That only half the eligeable voters participate might actually not be a bad thing anyway.

Mort

 

[Johnd]

If they were going to start a war they should have fought it like one. Not some PC silly excuse of one. If you are going to fight an enemy then let your boys fight them instead of holding them back and tying an arm behind their back. No to mention pressing charges against those doing their jobs. (Some soldiers have been in the wrong in very limited cases. Without knowing the full details of any situation it is tough to pass judgement on any accused.) Let the Generals and the men there fight the war not try to micro-manage it from Washington.

We are doing much good there though regarless of the trash we are fed here from the media. I have three friends who have been there first hand (one who still is) to attest to that and one who gave his life.

It was doomed from the beginning the way they are running it though.

I agree with you to a point annunaki. I believe we "won the war." It's the police state and takeover of a country that we have lost.

We won the "war" in three weeks, regardless of whether or not we got Saddam and his henchmen. We should have gotten out then. Our biggest mistake was thinking we could establish a democracy in a region that is so vehemently against freedoms and that type of governance. Our second mistake was thinking we can establish a government and run a country from abroad. Our third mistake was not allowing Bremer to do anything. Our continual mistake is running a police state with people that fully desired our liberating them from a tyrranical government, but who now detest our very presence: many of them who first saw us as liberators now see us as occupiers and usurpers. I feel there is now no hope of convincing them otherwise. For every Iraqi we win over or convince that our presence in their country is good and necessary, there are two that are against us. And it does not matter that one of every two is not Iraqi...it is simply impossible to control their border. The administration has had their head in the sand over these issues from the onset. The fast food manner in which they picked the interim leader, and then took all authority from him is an utter disgrace.

 

[jinjuku]

Couldn't agree more... Winning the war and then holding on and holding it together are very different things.

 

[Johnd]

Couldn't agree more... Winning the war and then holding on and holding it together are very different things.

You're agreeing with me?

If I can be so bold to augment:

Winning the war, holding on and being so presumptuous to think that we can "simply" start a new government in a foriegn country in a matter of months...or even in a few years, and in a region that generally detest us and our form of governement no less...well, it's imprudent to be mild.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

We are doing much good there though regarless of the trash we are fed here from the media.

Even if we are doing good for the Iraqi's, the question remains: what good are we doing for the US?
I also don't believe that Bush has any sort of humanitarian intent whatsoever. I think he started the war to protect access to oil and to impress his daddy.

 

[stratman]

Man If my kid started a war you're damn right I'd be impressed, now only if he threw the first rock.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Man If my kid started a war you're damn right I'd be impressed, now only if he threw the first rock.

You mean as in the very first rock, ever?

 

[annunaki]

I would be more proud of my son if he finished a/the war and actually won all while keeping the best interest of the countryand legal citizens in mind.

 

[stratman]

You mean as in the very first rock, ever?

Yeah! The first one ever!